The Cure

MUSIC FOR FREE?

SO
IT SEEMS A FEW PROFESSIONAL APOLOGISTS (YOU HAVE TO LOVE THEM!) OUT THERE DISAGREE WITH MY "EVERY ARTIST SHOULD VALUE THEIR ART" MUSING
AND THINK ITS OK FOR ART - MUSIC IN PARTICULAR - TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FREE FOR ALL...

NO I AM NOT CONFUSING 'ARTISTIC VALUE' WITH 'COMMERCIAL VALUE'
MERELY QUESTIONING THE DUMB ACCEPTANCE OF THE 'FREE ART IS THE 'NEW' PARADIGM - THATS JUST THE WAY IT IS' MANTRA

IN THE WAY OF OUR BRIGHT AND BRAVE NEW WIRED WORLD
THESE IDIOT CRITICS HAVE TRIED VERY HARD TO TURN MY GENERAL POINT - A POINT I MADE USING RADIOHEAD'S 'IN RAINBOWS: PAY WHAT YOU WANT' MARKETING RUSE AS IT IS THE MOST WIDELY KNOWN EXAMPLE - INTO A MOCK SHOCK HORROR "HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION THE FAMOUSLY INDEPENDENT AND ANTI-CAPITALIST RADIOHEAD, THEY SELL MORE 'PRODUCT' THAN THE CURE SO THEIR STRATEGY OBVIOUSLY 'WORKED' (HUH?!!)... AND ANYWAY, ROBERT SMITH IS WAY TOO OLD TO COMMENT ON CONTEMPORARY CULTURE" MOMENT...

MY POINT IS NEITHER PARTICULARLY NEW NOR ORIGINAL
NOR EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT RADIOHEADS 'IN RAINBOWS'

BUT IT IS I FEEL STILL COMPELLING

ANY FAMOUS ARTIST WITH A HUGE AND DEVOTED FAN BASE (OFTEN ARRIVED AT WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM A WEALTHY AND POWERFUL 'PATRON' OR TWO?) CAN AFFORD TO DO WHAT HE, SHE OR IT WANTS...
INCLUDING GIVING THEIR ART AWAY AS SOME KIND OF 'LOSS LEADER' TO HELP 'BUILD THE BRAND'

ALL WELL AND GOOD (WELL... NOT REALLY! 'LOSS LEADER'? 'BUILD THE BRAND'? AAGH! BUT THIS IS THE LINGUA FRANCA... )

HOWEVER
IF THIS 'ART FOR FREE' IDEA BECOMES THE CULTURAL NORM
THEN HOW DO ARTISTS EARN THEIR LIVING?

HEY
HANG ON
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT A WEALTHY AND POWERFUL 'PATRON'
LIKE... A BIG RECORD LABEL?
EXCELLENT!
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SIGN UP AND AGREE TO ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS
AND IT WILL MARKET YOU DECISIVELY
AND IF YOU PLAY IT RIGHT ITS EVEN WEALTHIER AND MORE POWERFUL PARENT COMPANY WILL AIR YOUR WORDS AND PICTURES AND VIDEOS AND MUSIC AND ADS ON ITS MANY AND VARIOUS WEB/TV/RADIO CHANNELS

AND CHARGE ADVERTISERS HUGE AMOUNTS TO ADVERTISE TO THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE CONSUMING ALL YOUR FREE ART...

AND YOU THE ARTIST WILL OF COURSE GET A 'FAIR' REWARD FOR YOUR EFFORTS... ?

BAH
SOME 'NEW' PARADIGM!

SO
I STAND BY MY POINT:

AN ARTIST HAS TO VALUE THE ART THEY CREATE
OTHERWISE I DONT BELIEVE THEY CAN BELIEVE IT TO BE ART

I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY AN ARTIST FOR HIS OR HER OR ITS ART
AS IT OBVIOUSLY HELPS ENABLE THAT ARTIST TO KEEP CREATING

AND QUITE HONESTLY
AS ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH THIS POINT
IS UNLIKELY TO BE AN ARTIST
I DONT REALLY CARE TOO MUCH WHAT THEY THINK... !!!
I JUST WROTE ALL THIS BECAUSE I GOT PARTICULARLY FED UP TONIGHT WITH THE SQUEALING HIGH DRAMA OF THE 101 STORIES A DAY AND NONE OF THEM PARTICULARLY TRUE BRIGHT AND BRAVE NEW WIRED WORLD MEDIA THAT WHINES ON AND ON WITHOUT RESPITE OR REFUTATION…


CRETINS!

OR MAYBE ITS JUST MY POST BIG GIG HANGOVER TALKING?!!

ONWARDS...
RSX

PS
I WONDER HOW MANY OF THE PROFESSIONAL APOLOGISTS OUT THERE WRITE THEIR SHIT FOR FREE?

HA!

cool but

you don't really have nothing to apologize for anything because anybody who knows anything about The Cure knows that Robert smith is an artist who dosent sell out emphasis on the artist because he makes art that can be heard be loved and cherised

Re: MUSIC FOR FREE?

CURE:ROBERT wrote:
SO
IT SEEMS A FEW PROFESSIONAL APOLOGISTS (YOU HAVE TO LOVE THEM!) OUT THERE DISAGREE WITH MY "EVERY ARTIST SHOULD VALUE THEIR ART" MUSING
AND THINK ITS OK FOR ART - MUSIC IN PARTICULAR - TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FREE FOR ALL...

NO I AM NOT CONFUSING 'ARTISTIC VALUE' WITH 'COMMERCIAL VALUE'
MERELY QUESTIONING THE DUMB ACCEPTANCE OF THE 'FREE ART IS THE 'NEW' PARADIGM - THATS JUST THE WAY IT IS' MANTRA

IN THE WAY OF OUR BRIGHT AND BRAVE NEW WIRED WORLD
THESE IDIOT CRITICS HAVE TRIED VERY HARD TO TURN MY GENERAL POINT - A POINT I MADE USING RADIOHEAD'S 'IN RAINBOWS: PAY WHAT YOU WANT' MARKETING RUSE AS IT IS THE MOST WIDELY KNOWN EXAMPLE - INTO A MOCK SHOCK HORROR "HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION THE FAMOUSLY INDEPENDENT AND ANTI-CAPITALIST RADIOHEAD, THEY SELL MORE 'PRODUCT' THAN THE CURE SO THEIR STRATEGY OBVIOUSLY 'WORKED' (HUH?!!)... AND ANYWAY, ROBERT SMITH IS WAY TOO OLD TO COMMENT ON CONTEMPORARY CULTURE" MOMENT...

MY POINT IS NEITHER PARTICULARLY NEW NOR ORIGINAL
NOR EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT RADIOHEADS 'IN RAINBOWS'

BUT IT IS I FEEL STILL COMPELLING

ANY FAMOUS ARTIST WITH A HUGE AND DEVOTED FAN BASE (OFTEN ARRIVED AT WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM A WEALTHY AND POWERFUL 'PATRON' OR TWO?) CAN AFFORD TO DO WHAT HE, SHE OR IT WANTS...
INCLUDING GIVING THEIR ART AWAY AS SOME KIND OF 'LOSS LEADER' TO HELP 'BUILD THE BRAND'

ALL WELL AND GOOD (WELL... NOT REALLY! 'LOSS LEADER'? 'BUILD THE BRAND'? AAGH! BUT THIS IS THE LINGUA FRANCA... )

HOWEVER
IF THIS 'ART FOR FREE' IDEA BECOMES THE CULTURAL NORM
THEN HOW DO ARTISTS EARN THEIR LIVING?

HEY
HANG ON
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT A WEALTHY AND POWERFUL 'PATRON'
LIKE... A BIG RECORD LABEL?
EXCELLENT!
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SIGN UP AND AGREE TO ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS
AND IT WILL MARKET YOU DECISIVELY
AND IF YOU PLAY IT RIGHT ITS EVEN WEALTHIER AND MORE POWERFUL PARENT COMPANY WILL AIR YOUR WORDS AND PICTURES AND VIDEOS AND MUSIC AND ADS ON ITS MANY AND VARIOUS WEB/TV/RADIO CHANNELS

AND CHARGE ADVERTISERS HUGE AMOUNTS TO ADVERTISE TO THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE CONSUMING ALL YOUR FREE ART...

AND YOU THE ARTIST WILL OF COURSE GET A 'FAIR' REWARD FOR YOUR EFFORTS... ?

BAH
SOME 'NEW' PARADIGM!

SO
I STAND BY MY POINT:

AN ARTIST HAS TO VALUE THE ART THEY CREATE
OTHERWISE I DONT BELIEVE THEY CAN BELIEVE IT TO BE ART

I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY AN ARTIST FOR HIS OR HER OR ITS ART
AS IT OBVIOUSLY HELPS ENABLE THAT ARTIST TO KEEP CREATING

AND QUITE HONESTLY
AS ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH THIS POINT
IS UNLIKELY TO BE AN ARTIST
I DONT REALLY CARE TOO MUCH WHAT THEY THINK... !!!
I JUST WROTE ALL THIS BECAUSE I GOT PARTICULARLY FED UP TONIGHT WITH THE SQUEALING HIGH DRAMA OF THE 101 STORIES A DAY AND NONE OF THEM PARTICULARLY TRUE BRIGHT AND BRAVE NEW WIRED WORLD MEDIA THAT WHINES ON AND ON WITHOUT RESPITE OR REFUTATION…


CRETINS!

OR MAYBE ITS JUST MY POST BIG GIG HANGOVER TALKING?!!

ONWARDS...
RSX

PS
I WONDER HOW MANY OF THE PROFESSIONAL APOLOGISTS OUT THERE WRITE THEIR SHIT FOR FREE?

HA!

also..

It is worth to say, that if people don't help artists create their art by paying for it (I'm not talking crazy millions-of-pounds prices, even Banksy is against that!), then they will have less time and money to keep creating the amazing things they do...think about it!

Of course the morons don't write their shit for free!

Who cares what they say, they're idiots!!!

Thanks for posting!!! Come to San Diego!

Is it really 4 am? Is he hanging out with Ozzy?

They're vampires!! EEK!!

Re: Is it really 4 am? Is he hanging out with Ozzy?

Rosepetals wrote:
They're vampires!! EEK!!

Re: Re: Is it really 4 am? Is he hanging out with Ozzy?

Hooligal wrote:

Rosepetals wrote:
They're vampires!! EEK!!

Yup, 4:13 in the uk
coincidence? I THINK NOT!


Do you think he's gone now, or silently lurking...or drunkenly lurking..wearing the same clothes from the past 3 days..
(if you are lurking, I'm not calling you a tramp or nuthin, really!)

o

and I hate ozzy!
fyi



God I need to lay off the drink....

Re: Re: Re: Is it really 4 am? Is he hanging out with Ozzy?

cureaddict2 wrote:

Hooligal wrote:

Rosepetals wrote:
They're vampires!! EEK!!

Yup, 4:13 in the uk
coincidence? I THINK NOT!


Do you think he's gone now, or silently lurking...or drunkenly lurking..wearing the same clothes from the past 3 days..
(if you are lurking, I'm not calling you a tramp or nuthin, really!)

shes calling you an awesome partier i swear

Re: Re: Is it really 4 am? Is he hanging out with Ozzy?

Hooligal wrote:

Rosepetals wrote:
They're vampires!! EEK!!

Yup, 4:13 in the uk
coincidence? I THINK NOT!


Do you think he's gone now, or silently lurking...or drunkenly lurking..wearing the same clothes from the past 3 days..
(if you are lurking, I'm not calling you a tramp or nuthin, really!)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it really 4 am? Is he hanging out with Ozzy?

Hooligal wrote:

cureaddict2 wrote:

Hooligal wrote:

Rosepetals wrote:
They're vampires!! EEK!!

Yup, 4:13 in the uk
coincidence? I THINK NOT!


Do you think he's gone now, or silently lurking...or drunkenly lurking..wearing the same clothes from the past 3 days..
(if you are lurking, I'm not calling you a tramp or nuthin, really!)

shes calling you an awesome partier i swear

I AM!
I'm still wearing the same shirt from the last 3 days, so I'm not one to talk..I've really not been home for long enought to change anything cept my pants! (gotta change the pants...)

Psst, why doesn't Robert get an avatar?

He looks like Porl in the generic one he has. It's confusing.

o and robert..

I value your 'old' (SO NOT) comment on contemporary culture any day, more so then those wankers radiohead, you are far more younger at heart then those boring cunts!
*is not particularity articulate when drunk*

FTW!

Re: o and robert..

Hooligal wrote:
I value your 'old' (SO NOT) comment on contemporary culture any day, more so then those wankers radiohead, you are far more younger at heart then those boring cunts!
*is not particularity articulate when drunk*

FTW!

.torrents misuse

Every band depends upon getting a contract with a good record company so they'll make money on their sales and all that. And the ones that don't get that much attention and don't get to sign with a famous r-company are not rewarded for the effort they put in their music. Blah! Not good... (BTW: in my case, it's not a hangover talking, I haven't gotten to that stage yet.. So sorry for the nonsence)

AGREED.

I myself am an artist and have to make a living also. I am not although a musician. Graphic Designer, hobbying in fashion design, music.

I have a steady job with a company called CauseForce, Inc. We put on all of the campaigns for the fight against Cancer you all probably see.

I DEAL WITH MARKETING MORONS DAILY! My life is spent arguing my artistic point daily to people who see it as simple to create things like "THAT!".

I do favors for friends for free but when it comes to working you have to set limits and make yourself worth what you deserve...at the end of the day it's draining being on a design team. People simply DON'T UNDERSTAND the hard work and constant revisions and details UNLESS they are a designer! I find a relate in view with my fellow designers and artists.

People think it's so simple and a fun job. It is fun; but not worth any less than someone else's living?

I do love Radiohead's music and work. Yet the move they made undermines what nowadays is a slippery slope for musicians. Slowly things are turning to a mess. Allowing Advertising, Sponsorship, Bennies, Marketing, BLAH BLAH to get the upper hand.

I am happy you stand up for your view on this matter. Keep on now matter how fustrating...

PS. I particularly LOVED your comment at NME about seeing how the world turns without religion for one year. Perfect. I feel the same.

See you in Vegas and Coachella my friend.

Re: Re: Re: Is it really 4 am? Is he hanging out with Ozzy?

Rosepetals wrote:

Hooligal wrote:

Rosepetals wrote:
They're vampires!! EEK!!

Yup, 4:13 in the uk
coincidence? I THINK NOT!


Do you think he's gone now, or silently lurking...or drunkenly lurking..wearing the same clothes from the past 3 days..
(if you are lurking, I'm not calling you a tramp or nuthin, really!)

Lol, I am only going to post mature things because I think he may still be around! It's gonna take me a few days to figure out what he posted! He's like another Einstein but cuter!!!
I know if I made music I wouldn't let anyone put a price on it! Especially since mine would be as bad as a cat in heat singing. I would starve to death!!

Re: Re: o and robert..

Rosepetals wrote:

Hooligal wrote:
I value your 'old' (SO NOT) comment on contemporary culture any day, more so then those wankers radiohead, you are far more younger at heart then those boring cunts!
*is not particularity articulate when drunk*

FTW!

English people use the C word a lot, don't they?

Re: Re: Re: o and robert..

Hooligal wrote:

Rosepetals wrote:

Hooligal wrote:
I value your 'old' (SO NOT) comment on contemporary culture any day, more so then those wankers radiohead, you are far more younger at heart then those boring cunts!
*is not particularity articulate when drunk*

FTW!

English people use the C word a lot, don't they?

Yea they do I guess, I suppose it's still a fairly bad cuss word for a woman to say, but it doesn't bother me, its just another word in my well versed pool of cusses. (I shoulda been a sailor)!

Re: Re: Re: Re: o and robert..

Rosepetals wrote:

Hooligal wrote:

Rosepetals wrote:

Hooligal wrote:
I value your 'old' (SO NOT) comment on contemporary culture any day, more so then those wankers radiohead, you are far more younger at heart then those boring cunts!
*is not particularity articulate when drunk*

FTW!

English people use the C word a lot, don't they?

Yea they do I guess, I suppose it's still a fairly bad cuss word for a woman to say, but it doesn't bother me, its just another word in my well versed pool of cusses. (I shoulda been a sailor)!

Someone who shall go nameless told me Scottish guys greet each other by calling each other F. C__ts. is it true? LOL!

Thanks and why are you not asleep?

It's only 8:37 p.m. in California.

Hooli,

did you pass out?

pass out

Should do

Maybe I shall..

Re: pass out

Hooligal wrote:
Should do

Maybe I shall..

Right on!

Some good points made...maybe?

Re: Right on!

tysonb555 wrote:
Some good points made...maybe?

Mr. S, you've got a really good point.

I'm sorry the idiot critics don't understand your point...but then again, they are idiot critics. And how dare they say "AND ANYWAY, ROBERT SMITH IS WAY TOO OLD TO COMMENT ON CONTEMPORARY CULTURE." Out of everyone in the music industry, you know and care the most about the contemporary culture! (From what I’ve seen and read) You care about new artists that are starting up, and you try the most to get their names out there. Like 65daysofstatic! They are fairly new and I had never heard of them before the 4tour. And what's really cool is when you see an artist that loves The Cure, and always lists them as bands who inspired them to start their band in the first place you just randomly decide to sing with them on stage! Like Placebo and Blink 182…AND CURIOSA!! Anywho, back to your point “an artist has to value the art they create, otherwise I don’t believe they can believe it to be art.” I didn’t even know people out there did that! Jeese, what the hell is the point of even being an artist if you don’t value what you make!? In my opinion, the only point of being an artist is to show the world what you have going on in your mind, the way you want to and the way you envisioned it. At first it’s really hard to do what YOU want to do, but hopefully overtime you get to do what you want. “CRETINS!” indeed they are...and “ MAYBE ITS JUST MY POST BIG GIG HANGOVER TALKING?!!” Nice to hear from you, even if it’s the hangover :D

Nope

Nope. never downloaded a free piece of music in my life. Don't even own an Ipod or MP3 player. I ended with a "maybe" (which was a pointless ending) because my son just rose up from the dead and wanted a glass of water. I see his point....

Re: Re: Right on!

Rosepetals wrote:

tysonb555 wrote:
Some good points made...maybe?

What do you mean maybe? Are you Freddie the Freeloader?

Robert, I thought you forgot about us!

Robert,
It was nice to see you post in the forum. I thought you had forgotten about us, but then I found out just the other day that you're coming to Las Vegas. Thank you so much! I don't know if you have ever read my posts, over the past couple of years, asking for The Cure to play here. I was and still am in shock. I can't wait to see you guys play! I even got floor tickets. Then, you came to the forum and posted. That's pretty cool.

I don't know if you will read the follow-up comments to your thread, but I was wondering a few things. What does a Cure fan have to do to get a picture with you and an autograph after or before the Las Vegas show? We promise we won't take up much of your time, but it would be a great honor to meet you. Secondly, is the dark album still in the works? Is there any chance that you guys will play any songs from it at The Pearl, if so?

Thanks for letting us know you still care by posting a hungover thread about free music. I don't know what pushed your buttons on the topic, since most Cure fans are collectors and want the Cure CDs and DVDS (in Orange, for example---hint, hint---or The Trilogy concert on CD), but maybe you will enlighten us.

XOXOXOXO,


Nicole

Incase Robert hasn't gone to beddy-byes yet.....

thankyou for Thursday night!!!!!!!!!:)
i hope you enjoyed it as much as we did!:)

and i hope we'll see you in London again soon!!!! please!!!:)

sooty xxx



p.s: does anyone else think that Simon's look is going more and more like Mick Jones [circa early 80s] ? :)

Janis Ian

I'm wondering what you think of Janis Ian's ideas regarding this matter. Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore. What you say makes a lot of sense, but so does what she's saying even though the two basic ideas seem to be at odds.

http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html

Is this one of those matters where the entire system needs an overhaul at this point?

Also, I feel like your opinion of all this has changed over time. Am I wrong? Perhaps I'm remembering something you said about not minding bootlegs rather than not minding illegal downloads of studio songs.

Congratulations on being a Godlike Genius, by the way. You've always been one to me. :)

<3

HA!

Well said, Robert! Sometimes you have to explain things like this for the idiots or they will take it the wrong way...

Re: MUSIC FOR FREE?

CURE:ROBERT wrote:
SO
IT SEEMS A FEW PROFESSIONAL APOLOGISTS (YOU HAVE TO LOVE THEM!) OUT THERE DISAGREE WITH MY "EVERY ARTIST SHOULD VALUE THEIR ART" MUSING
AND THINK ITS OK FOR ART - MUSIC IN PARTICULAR - TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FREE FOR ALL...

NO I AM NOT CONFUSING 'ARTISTIC VALUE' WITH 'COMMERCIAL VALUE'
MERELY QUESTIONING THE DUMB ACCEPTANCE OF THE 'FREE ART IS THE 'NEW' PARADIGM - THATS JUST THE WAY IT IS' MANTRA

IN THE WAY OF OUR BRIGHT AND BRAVE NEW WIRED WORLD
THESE IDIOT CRITICS HAVE TRIED VERY HARD TO TURN MY GENERAL POINT - A POINT I MADE USING RADIOHEAD'S 'IN RAINBOWS: PAY WHAT YOU WANT' MARKETING RUSE AS IT IS THE MOST WIDELY KNOWN EXAMPLE - INTO A MOCK SHOCK HORROR "HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION THE FAMOUSLY INDEPENDENT AND ANTI-CAPITALIST RADIOHEAD, THEY SELL MORE 'PRODUCT' THAN THE CURE SO THEIR STRATEGY OBVIOUSLY 'WORKED' (HUH?!!)... AND ANYWAY, ROBERT SMITH IS WAY TOO OLD TO COMMENT ON CONTEMPORARY CULTURE" MOMENT...

MY POINT IS NEITHER PARTICULARLY NEW NOR ORIGINAL
NOR EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT RADIOHEADS 'IN RAINBOWS'

BUT IT IS I FEEL STILL COMPELLING

ANY FAMOUS ARTIST WITH A HUGE AND DEVOTED FAN BASE (OFTEN ARRIVED AT WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM A WEALTHY AND POWERFUL 'PATRON' OR TWO?) CAN AFFORD TO DO WHAT HE, SHE OR IT WANTS...
INCLUDING GIVING THEIR ART AWAY AS SOME KIND OF 'LOSS LEADER' TO HELP 'BUILD THE BRAND'

ALL WELL AND GOOD (WELL... NOT REALLY! 'LOSS LEADER'? 'BUILD THE BRAND'? AAGH! BUT THIS IS THE LINGUA FRANCA... )

HOWEVER
IF THIS 'ART FOR FREE' IDEA BECOMES THE CULTURAL NORM
THEN HOW DO ARTISTS EARN THEIR LIVING?

HEY
HANG ON
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT A WEALTHY AND POWERFUL 'PATRON'
LIKE... A BIG RECORD LABEL?
EXCELLENT!
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SIGN UP AND AGREE TO ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS
AND IT WILL MARKET YOU DECISIVELY
AND IF YOU PLAY IT RIGHT ITS EVEN WEALTHIER AND MORE POWERFUL PARENT COMPANY WILL AIR YOUR WORDS AND PICTURES AND VIDEOS AND MUSIC AND ADS ON ITS MANY AND VARIOUS WEB/TV/RADIO CHANNELS

AND CHARGE ADVERTISERS HUGE AMOUNTS TO ADVERTISE TO THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE CONSUMING ALL YOUR FREE ART...

AND YOU THE ARTIST WILL OF COURSE GET A 'FAIR' REWARD FOR YOUR EFFORTS... ?

BAH
SOME 'NEW' PARADIGM!

SO
I STAND BY MY POINT:

AN ARTIST HAS TO VALUE THE ART THEY CREATE
OTHERWISE I DONT BELIEVE THEY CAN BELIEVE IT TO BE ART

I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY AN ARTIST FOR HIS OR HER OR ITS ART
AS IT OBVIOUSLY HELPS ENABLE THAT ARTIST TO KEEP CREATING

AND QUITE HONESTLY
AS ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH THIS POINT
IS UNLIKELY TO BE AN ARTIST
I DONT REALLY CARE TOO MUCH WHAT THEY THINK... !!!
I JUST WROTE ALL THIS BECAUSE I GOT PARTICULARLY FED UP TONIGHT WITH THE SQUEALING HIGH DRAMA OF THE 101 STORIES A DAY AND NONE OF THEM PARTICULARLY TRUE BRIGHT AND BRAVE NEW WIRED WORLD MEDIA THAT WHINES ON AND ON WITHOUT RESPITE OR REFUTATION…


CRETINS!

OR MAYBE ITS JUST MY POST BIG GIG HANGOVER TALKING?!!

ONWARDS...
RSX

PS
I WONDER HOW MANY OF THE PROFESSIONAL APOLOGISTS OUT THERE WRITE THEIR SHIT FOR FREE?

HA!

How about the next album?

If this "pay-what-you-want" method has really worked out well, Radiohead will be taking same strategy for their next album, won't they? And this method will take root in the music industry in the near future, won't it?
Let's see how it goes...

cheers!!!!

screw these critics congratulations on your award and your gig to robert and the cure cheers!!!!!!

anyone who disagrees with your point, Robert, will not be artists

as you point out or will be pirates.

Thieves like their things free. If they don't GET their things free, they will steal things to get them...and add them to all the other things they have stolen.

I staunchly stand by the concept of SELLING music as a vocation and have believed for years that uploading and downloading songs that are not our own property is the cause of music as a career being a worry to pursue. I am totally against downloading music. I wish there were a way to prevent it from happening. And I will pay any price for an album I want. I bought one tonight. Jennifer Hudson's cd JENNIFER HUDSON. It never occurred to me, even for a nano second for it to be something to search out the net for to download free. At her expense. As if...

So, your observations are valid and spot on.

There is nothing to explain or apologize for. Those who don't get it are assholes anyway.

Radiohead...or any other professional music artist certainly gets it's fair due and anyone who thinks they are giving away their precious years' of hard work are not at all living in the real. I doubt Thom whatshisname eats ramen noodles to be a starving artist because it's hip or some such nonsense.

and another thing....with regards to indies who think it's hip to be sacrificial...

i would be willing to bet that if a big label contract came courting they would jump on the chance to have more than cheese whiz on a cracker and cheap beer backstage after the show waiting for them. i seriously doubt there is a genuinely talented musician on the entire planet who would not be grateful for the chance to make a living doing what they do best and love doing. and that can't happen if there is no means of making money from their hard work. playing for fun is not the same as playing for a living. and if there is no roof overhead and no food on the table, no gas in the van and no van for the gas, being broke isn't fun and the joy of the art becomes despair. after a while that shit gets old. and that is the only old thing about any of it. music makers don't age because music never ages. never. but not being able to live making music can become a dread that will deaden the soul after a while.

Okay...

Well, dude. Okay. My thing is, so you say that some people think you are too old to have an opinion on this. My question is, how old are "they?" Either they are the same age as you and should just shut up. Or they are younger than you and haven't the life experience you do, so they should just shut up. It's not like you've gone fucking senile. All signs point to the hamster still running on his wheel. And, um, in case you missed it, I AM A PART OF THE CONTEMPORARY CULTURE! AND LOOKIE AT WHAT ONE OF MY FAVE BANDS IS! Hmmm...... Interesting.

Yes, your art is your mental property, and it's fucked when your efforts are given away for nothing. It kind of reminds me of the tea trade in India. When you buy tea you aren't really paying for the tea itself. You are paying for the nifty packaging, and what little else the company has put into promoting it. The people who work on the plantations get, like, two dollars a day. People scream for fair trade there. They want to know why the farmers aren't getting their share of whats supposed to be coming to them. Why not scream for fair trade in art? Is it because art isn't a real product? It's all well and good now to be able to get an album for dirt cheap, but that would have to come to an end. If it is seen that even a successful artist can't get paid for their efforts, they why try to become a successful artist at all? You wanna be famous? Okay. Sure. But fame is a lifestyle that you would have to be able to afford to upkeep. If your not getting paid, then fame is.....I don't wanna know. That would make for fewer REAL artists, and more plastic noise. Oh wait....THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW!

I think that artists should value their art for their own sakes as well. If you don't do that then the whole thing is just glorified prostitution. If you aren't getting anything out of creating it, then chances are the audience isn't either. I forget what he said, but paraphrasing a bit here, George Harrison said about music that if it wasn't real the soul can recognize that. And when music has been filtered down to just some noise for sale then it has no real lasting affect or shelf life. I mean, if a doctor came to you tomorrow and said that your hearing was going and you could only listen to three songs before you went deaf for life, what would you pick? And what is the common denominator in all of them? It would be the way they made you feel! It takes real art to move the soul. That's hard to come by. That's why it's important to foster genuine creativity.

If you LOVE an artist then don't you want to see them get paid? Don't you want to encourage them, and give them the tools to create more? When a friend of mine offered to burn a copy of 4:13 Dream for me I said no. I really did. I said to her "I gotta support my boys." And that's what it felt like to me when I bought it. Like I was supporting you guys. When I love a group enough, I WANT to show them I care. Whenever I pay for a NEW CD I feel like I am saying "thank you" in a small way for creating something, and sharing it with me.

Art has been destroyed by industrialization for mass consumerism. It's not just in music. It's in all art forms.

But besides making this little post, what can YOU do? Anything? What sort of weight does your opinion hold among your peers? Can you gather them and discus what can be done to change things? "The League of Extraordinary Artists." You've gone from "hot new band" to a group with many laurels to point to. Can that be parlayed in anyway towards a cause of change? Can you think of another route? The Record industry hasn't ALWAYS existed. An institution has to start somewhere before it is recognized as an institution. Why not start one of your own? Why not you? Why not now?


"If music be the food of love; play on." -Shakespeare

Great

words from a grEAt Artist!!
VIVA Robert!!!
Giga.

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GigaCure wrote:
words from a grEAt Artist!!
VIVA Robert!!!
Giga.

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TheCupcakeGeisha wrote:

GigaCure wrote:
words from a grEAt Artist!!
VIVA Robert!!!
Giga.

*POUNCES*
GIGA!!!!
*HUGS*
I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU ALL DAY!
Started to miss ya'!

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Klomsky Toadsky wrote:
It makes perfect sense to me, but of course it would, he is a Godlike Genius after all. Artists should like anyone else get paid for their work and be treated fairly by the record company. Sadly it seems that last bit is a thing of the past...nothing seems to be about quality anymore. Just wringing the most they can out of any nitwit they can fiund that looks the part. It might be true that you can't polish a turd but they sure can sugarcoat them and dress them up :oI

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TheCupcakeGeisha wrote:
I forget what he said, but paraphrasing a bit here, George Harrison said about music that if it wasn't real the soul can recognize that. And when music has been filtered down to just some noise for sale then it has no real lasting affect or shelf life.

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ghani wrote:

TheCupcakeGeisha wrote:
I forget what he said, but paraphrasing a bit here, George Harrison said about music that if it wasn't real the soul can recognize that. And when music has been filtered down to just some noise for sale then it has no real lasting affect or shelf life.

Very interesting. I've always felt that, but haven't been able to express it very well. I'll have to remember George Harrison's (paraphrased) words. Yeah, unlike Robert, I have trouble expressing myself eloquently sometimes, especially when it has to do with something intangible, like how I feel about certain music (especially The Cure's) versus a lot of songs that are catchy and sound "good," but don't have anything behind them...

I don't know what it is, the "tantalizing enigma of The Cure"... people will ask why I like them so much, and it's always so hard to explain. I don't know what exact element makes them so AMAZING, on record and on stage. But it's like their music DOES touch your soul. And it's obvious that the band put their hearts into making it, playing it, etc.



As for Robert's opinion, I always love to hear what he has to say. I like the way he expresses himself. It's very interesting to me. I don't always agree with what he has to say, but he always has something behind it. In this case, I do agree. Art definitely has a value, and should be treated as such. I mean, if you want to give your art as a gift, that's one thing, but to undermine the market is another.

Words

Well then, I shall remember your words, too! They're good words.

If

there is anyone who expects any artist to give away their art for free as a constant, or to accept reduced royalities as the record companies' arses spread with the takings from advertising relating to the artist, well, they have rocks in their head... undermining any artist this way is disgraceful, if you like what you see/hear, you pay for it... without paying for what we desire in the world of art, the artists would disappear, and what a sorrowful, drab world we would live in without the talents of so many varied individuals.. If an artist placed a true price on what they have created, none of us would be able to buy it...the time, effort, blood sweat and tears shed in making a creation cannot have a price!! But, we, as consumers, are very lucky.. the artist takes into consideration their purchasers, and taking everything into consideration, comes to a price affordable for most... the artist must eat, pay their bills and live a life...they are doing what they love, and we are the fortunate ones to be able to share this with them...giving away, or vastly reducing the price of their art would quickly destroy the creative juices, as what would be the point? You may as well turn your product over to be massed produced...no thanks...that's not art,not true art...and the true artist creates from the heart, from the soul...and what price that? It all seems to be get as much as you can for as little outlay as possible and f**k the origin...again, greed...and if this is what "contemporary culture" is, well, they can stick it... AND btw...they say Robert is "too old" to comment on this?? Hmmm, let me see, HOW long has he been creating and selling his art for??? I get it, just because you've been in the business for THIRTY years, your opinion isn't valid?? sorry?? ppffftttt...

here is a complex situation:

company makes a bit of software to create copies of a cd or digital copies of anything really.

company makes a internet server that makes it possible for the digital copies to be uploaded.

company makes a machine that makes it possible for homemade cd's to be made from all this and others found on the internet

and the pisser of it all is along the way of own and operate there are music companies...maybe all of them?...who have bought part stock in the software companies...in the internet servers...in the machines...and when their own recording artists get fucked over because their work is given away to the entire universe because one guy bought the album, used the software to make the copies, uploaded it to the server for people to take to make their own cd's and comps to have free or even frigging sell on ebay...and they don't have to pay their contract artist a penny for it. BUT they have in those contracts the right to sell their artists work to anybody they want and make side deals and under the table deals or make it impossible for the artist his or herself to perform their own music for a fee without paying the company again and again and again. it's insane.

when we download "free" music we are stabbing the artists we love in the back. and you are not screwing the record companies. they are unscrewable apparently. they get theirs however they have to. the artists don't though.

Right or wrong...

...I think it's good that you stick with what you say. Too many people try to worm their way out of these situations by saying comments were taken 'out of context' etc. But if you believe in something, then the right thing to do is stand by your belief.

For what it's worth, I think you made your point above very clearly, and I agree with it. To me, an Aston Martin DB9 is a work of art...but I don't think Aston would let me chose a price! If they did, the company wouldn't bother producing more cars! The problem is, the press that quoted you originally will not quote your comments above because they are not controversial enough.

Such is the state of the media...anyway, I'm off to dream about Aston Martins...sod the media for a bunch of bananas.

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Klomsky Toadsky wrote:
It makes perfect sense to me, but of course it would, he is a Godlike Genius after all. Artists should like anyone else get paid for their work and be treated fairly by the record company.