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1/2/2012 12:32 PM (GMT-04:00)

stuckinhoney
Joined: 8/12/2005
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Location: Bangor, IE

The whole bestival thing

Hi all, normally I don't tend to write to the forum but I feel a bit disappointed by the bestival cds. Before the album was released I read some reviews from respectable sources which pretty much all said that the live album was a triumph and the sound quality was good. On listening to the album I have to say how little I think of the performance and the sound quality. I'm 36 and have been a huge cure fan since I was twelve. This is the first time I see no merit at all in a product they have released, bar the fact that the money goes to charity.

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1/2/2012 12:52 PM (GMT-04:00)

RichFit
Joined: 12/22/2008
Posts: 191
Location:

Re: The whole bestival thing

stuckinhoney wrote:
Hi all, normally I don't tend to write to the forum but I feel a bit disappointed by the bestival cds. Before the album was released I read some reviews from respectable sources which pretty much all said that the live album was a triumph and the sound quality was good. On listening to the album I have to say how little I think of the performance and the sound quality. I'm 36 and have been a huge cure fan since I was twelve. This is the first time I see no merit at all in a product they have released, bar the fact that the money goes to charity.

What you feel is the same millions of fans feel with every release since 1996.

In Bestival the sound is too dry, some guitars are pre-recorded (to compensate for Porl's absense), the snare drum sounds thin and like a paint can, the cymbals don't shine, everything sound like a mono recording.

I bought the CDs mainly because 1) price ($9) 2) it was all for charity

1/2/2012 1:06 PM (GMT-04:00)

stuckinhoney
Joined: 8/12/2005
Posts: 7
Location: Bangor, IE

Re: The whole bestival thing

Don't understand how some reviewers were completely of the mark. Honestly, you don't have to be a cure fan to know that this album is pretty much worthless and has the worst version of a forest ever played. R.S seems content to stand in front of crowds and peddle out the greatest hits and enjoy basking in yesteryear's glory. I understand it's only an album but i don't appreciate R.S letting it be released knowing (I assume) that it is both poor in sound quality and content. And, let's face it, the only people who are going to buy the album are dedicated cure fans.

1/2/2012 1:30 PM (GMT-04:00)

RichFit
Joined: 12/22/2008
Posts: 191
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Re: The whole bestival thing

Those "off-the-mark-reviewers" must be of those yes-men that now surround RS. In this forum you can find LOTS!

1/2/2012 1:31 PM (GMT-04:00)

stuckinhoney
Joined: 8/12/2005
Posts: 7
Location: Bangor, IE

Re: The whole bestival thing

thanks for your comments, it's not just me then! take care

1/2/2012 6:17 PM (GMT-04:00)

Luciel
Joined: 10/27/2008
Posts: 645
Location: Houston, TX, US

Re: The whole bestival thing

I hope I don't find it as disappointing as you both do. Mine is on the way...a late Christmas gift from my daughter. Hmmm...I'll let you know.

1/3/2012 6:22 AM (GMT-04:00)

leahcl
Joined: 10/17/2010
Posts: 874
Location: Melbourne, AU

Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

Luciel wrote:
I hope I don't find it as disappointing as you both do. Mine is on the way...a late Christmas gift from my daughter. Hmmm...I'll let you know.

If you just take it as it is without any expectations and don't draw comparisons from the past you'll love it. I like the rough edges, its very rock. I got it digitally and the sound is great, maybe it makes a difference.

1/3/2012 7:11 AM (GMT-04:00)

sugargirl67
Joined: 7/4/2009
Posts: 298
Location: Portsmouth, Hants., UK

Re: The whole bestival thing

After listening to it several times, I agree that the sound is not great! The drums are awful, like a kid hammering away at a tin drum kit! & Roger's keyboard melodies do not compensate for the lack of Porl's guitar! Having said that, I still love it! It has not been over-produced & coated in sickly-sweet. It is just as it should be, raw & bit rough! For me that's a perfect reminder of a great night at Bestival!

1/3/2012 8:26 AM (GMT-04:00)

ToonLeonC14
Joined: 2/1/2011
Posts: 382
Location: UK

Re: The whole bestival thing

The trouble with different versions of material whether it be music film or anything else for that matter is it is not the original experience that you had (a little like your first kiss).
That said it is good to have alternative versions to listen to for a change.
Re the drums while I was at the RHA gig in the choir I did think the drums stood out in a similar manner to which they do on Bestival. I recon it is a good bet that is how Robert and the boys intended. As we are well aware The Cure have always changed and moved on at time drifting back to reflect other styles of albums but always progressing.
We should be thankful that Bestival was released so that we had something that floated our boat in our Christmas Stocking, and more importantly wetted our appetite for what ever is bubbling in the basement.

TLC

1/6/2012 6:34 AM (GMT-04:00)

sugargirl67
Joined: 7/4/2009
Posts: 298
Location: Portsmouth, Hants., UK

Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

ToonLeonC14 wrote:
The trouble with different versions of material whether it be music film or anything else for that matter is it is not the original experience that you had (a little like your first kiss).
That said it is good to have alternative versions to listen to for a change.
Re the drums while I was at the RHA gig in the choir I did think the drums stood out in a similar manner to which they do on Bestival. I recon it is a good bet that is how Robert and the boys intended. As we are well aware The Cure have always changed and moved on at time drifting back to reflect other styles of albums but always progressing.
We should be thankful that Bestival was released so that we had something that floated our boat in our Christmas Stocking, and more importantly wetted our appetite for what ever is bubbling in the basement.

TLC

Why do you have to sign off with TLC? We know it's you!

SG67

1/7/2012 12:47 PM (GMT-04:00)

cpteetee
Joined: 7/29/2011
Posts: 38
Location: CN

Re: The whole bestival thing

i think the official Cure website should post more Bestival live photo shots, just only one Robert photo is not enough......

1/9/2012 4:04 AM (GMT-04:00)

ToonLeonC14
Joined: 2/1/2011
Posts: 382
Location: UK

Re: Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

sugargirl67 wrote:
ToonLeonC14 wrote:
The trouble with different versions of material whether it be music film or anything else for that matter is it is not the original experience that you had (a little like your first kiss).
That said it is good to have alternative versions to listen to for a change.
Re the drums while I was at the RHA gig in the choir I did think the drums stood out in a similar manner to which they do on Bestival. I recon it is a good bet that is how Robert and the boys intended. As we are well aware The Cure have always changed and moved on at time drifting back to reflect other styles of albums but always progressing.
We should be thankful that Bestival was released so that we had something that floated our boat in our Christmas Stocking, and more importantly wetted our appetite for what ever is bubbling in the basement.

TLC

Why do you have to sign off with TLC? We know it's you!

SG67

Hi sweet Sugar,
I think you missed the point at the end with TLC nothing to do with my tag it means Take Loving Care of course just being nice to you all .......................... Just shitting of course I think it has been drummed into me from working to sign off at the end but as you have brought it to my attention I shall desist from doing so in the future...probably say's something about my psyche.

TLC (oops)

1/9/2012 6:07 PM (GMT-04:00)

tomcure
Joined: 10/26/2011
Posts: 28
Location: PT

Re: The whole bestival thing

i disagree... i think the cd´s have amazing sound quality and a forest sounds great with the new keyboard sounds..true cure fans will understand for sure...

1/9/2012 7:35 PM (GMT-04:00)

curereadder
Joined: 1/9/2012
Posts: 11
Location: US

Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

tomcure wrote:
i disagree... i think the cd´s have amazing sound quality and a forest sounds great with the new keyboard sounds..true cure fans will understand for sure...

amazing sound quality comparing it with what? a punk/grunge amateur band i guess

1/9/2012 7:38 PM (GMT-04:00)

curereadder
Joined: 1/9/2012
Posts: 11
Location: US

Re: The whole bestival thing

Concert sounds incredible and Entreat sounds amazing...Paris sounds really good...Show sounds good...Bestival sounds bad

1/10/2012 4:23 AM (GMT-04:00)

ToonLeonC14
Joined: 2/1/2011
Posts: 382
Location: UK

Re: Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

curereadder wrote:
tomcure wrote:
i disagree... i think the cd´s have amazing sound quality and a forest sounds great with the new keyboard sounds..true cure fans will understand for sure...

amazing sound quality comparing it with what? a punk/grunge amateur band i guess

curereadder reading your posts makes me think are you a Cure fan you sound like you have been unhappy with their sound for some time yet are still hanging in here. The Cure which I feel is probably more Robert have evolved very successfully where others have fallen by the way. Robert has made very good music choices for years now. I get what you say re the drums however I would hope to think that is how Robert wanted it and would have rubber stamped it and not left it to another individual. He always supplies great value for money CD's and Concerts. It will be interesting what comes next and how the drums sound..

1/10/2012 5:57 PM (GMT-04:00)

tomcure
Joined: 10/26/2011
Posts: 28
Location: PT

Re: Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

curereadder wrote:
tomcure wrote:
i disagree... i think the cd´s have amazing sound quality and a forest sounds great with the new keyboard sounds..true cure fans will understand for sure...

amazing sound quality comparing it with what? a punk/grunge amateur band i guess

stop picking on my posts...your obviously a very shallow person and have not a dedicated cure fan.. you just sound like a prick .. get your fingers out of my face leave me alone !!!

1/10/2012 6:01 PM (GMT-04:00)

tomcure
Joined: 10/26/2011
Posts: 28
Location: PT

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ToonLeonC14 wrote:
curereadder wrote:
tomcure wrote:
i disagree... i think the cd´s have amazing sound quality and a forest sounds great with the new keyboard sounds..true cure fans will understand for sure...

amazing sound quality comparing it with what? a punk/grunge amateur band i guess

curereadder reading your posts makes me think are you a Cure fan you sound like you have been unhappy with their sound for some time yet are still hanging in here. The Cure which I feel is probably more Robert have evolved very successfully where others have fallen by the way. Robert has made very good music choices for years now. I get what you say re the drums however I would hope to think that is how Robert wanted it and would have rubber stamped it and not left it to another individual. He always supplies great value for money CD's and Concerts. It will be interesting what comes next and how the drums sound..

Thank you for some support here toonleonc14... people like curereadder shouldnt be alowed on the forum...looking at his posts he sounds like some anti cure person.i agree if you dont like the music dont listen to it. peace x

1/11/2012 7:23 AM (GMT-04:00)

ToonLeonC14
Joined: 2/1/2011
Posts: 382
Location: UK

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

tomcure wrote:
ToonLeonC14 wrote:
curereadder wrote:
tomcure wrote:
i disagree... i think the cd´s have amazing sound quality and a forest sounds great with the new keyboard sounds..true cure fans will understand for sure...

amazing sound quality comparing it with what? a punk/grunge amateur band i guess

curereadder reading your posts makes me think are you a Cure fan you sound like you have been unhappy with their sound for some time yet are still hanging in here. The Cure which I feel is probably more Robert have evolved very successfully where others have fallen by the way. Robert has made very good music choices for years now. I get what you say re the drums however I would hope to think that is how Robert wanted it and would have rubber stamped it and not left it to another individual. He always supplies great value for money CD's and Concerts. It will be interesting what comes next and how the drums sound..

Thank you for some support here toonleonc14... people like curereadder shouldnt be alowed on the forum...looking at his posts he sounds like some anti cure person.i agree if you dont like the music dont listen to it. peace x

It would be interesting to hear what curereadder response to my post is after all this is a forum to voice your own opinion thoughts etc.
I can understand any split in Cure fans eg. Try listening to the first three albums and consider you had been doing so for many years then one day you hear Love Cats now that is some change in direction. I recall my first thoughts hearing it in HMV. First I thought that sounds like the Cure but with a pop jazz tweek to it. Then listening to Roberts voice it was obvious it was The Cure. I sought of had a feeling of betrayal at first but then I thought I actual like the pop side of The Cure. I think what I'm getting at is change can be good the difficulty is accepting change. That said I am sure many fans who for years listened to the first three albums probably dispersed in other directions following other bands...

1/12/2012 2:45 PM (GMT-04:00)

RichFit
Joined: 12/22/2008
Posts: 191
Location:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

ToonLeonC14 wrote:

... then I thought I actual like the pop side of The Cure. I think what I'm getting at is change can be good the difficulty is accepting change.

what i still don't understand is what side of The Cure are we witnessing now. as you mentioned, with lovecats Robert showed his pop side. But with WMS and the other albums (specially with the self titled one) I just don't know.. maybe The Cure's confused side?

1/16/2012 4:22 AM (GMT-04:00)

ToonLeonC14
Joined: 2/1/2011
Posts: 382
Location: UK

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

RichFit wrote:
ToonLeonC14 wrote:

... then I thought I actual like the pop side of The Cure. I think what I'm getting at is change can be good the difficulty is accepting change.

what i still don't understand is what side of The Cure are we witnessing now. as you mentioned, with lovecats Robert showed his pop side. But with WMS and the other albums (specially with the self titled one) I just don't know.. maybe The Cure's confused side?

I read an article recently which gave me cause for thought. It was saying that at the point The Cure turned Pop Robert had realised that the original genre they had entered was not going to have commercial longstanding and in so they turned to a more popular sound. Which you can understand why many die hard fans of the early sounds felt they were forgotten. I think rather than thinking of the material as confused I would call it perhaps eclectic and trying to please all fans at differing times. It will be interesting to see what comes on the new album, perhaps the line up will define what comes next.....

1/16/2012 6:24 AM (GMT-04:00)

ARNOYS
Joined: 9/21/2004
Posts: 2
Location: Muizen Mechelen, BE

Re: The whole bestival thing

I can’ t judge the CD but I came over from Belgium to join the concert. I’m afraid , what you hear is a group who wasn’t playing together for quite a long time.
And in combination with a lot of songs from the early days (Reflection). This wasn’t also to me not the most Cure’s …wow… concert. Also the weather conditions were not most favorable (rain/wind). And for me, not being to big festivals for a couple of years . I noticed how much the audience is changed. Now days is more about having fun than to be in trance from your favorite group or music.
I guess also this is reflected on your CD. On the other hand I didn’t saw a group were I felt sorry for. The rhythm section is in a good cheap and Mr Smith still have everything under control. I’m sure that in their next summer tour they will blow us from the festival grounds as never before followed by a best of CD/DVD.
Ps
And if the name Cure is used for charity we can be proud to be fan from the right Boys.
Johnny

1/16/2012 11:57 AM (GMT-04:00)

Luciel
Joined: 10/27/2008
Posts: 645
Location: Houston, TX, US

Re: The whole bestival thing

Hey, I just got mine in the mail!!! I love it!!! No, the sound quality is not the best, but it is a live concert so...that's to be expected? Anyway, I love it. Sound different with Roger back but good. And it's for a good cause. What's not to love?

1/17/2012 12:17 AM (GMT-04:00)

RichFit
Joined: 12/22/2008
Posts: 191
Location:

Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

Luciel wrote:
Hey, I just got mine in the mail!!! I love it!!! No, the sound quality is not the best, but it is a live concert so...that's to be expected? Anyway, I love it. Sound different with Roger back but good. And it's for a good cause. What's not to love?

Please, let me ask you if you have soundboard bootleg recordings from 1984-1992 and if you think Bestival sounds better. I'd like to have your opinion, be it that you think it's better or not. Thanks.

1/17/2012 12:18 AM (GMT-04:00)

dmscheuer
Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 50
Location: US

Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

Luciel wrote:
Hey, I just got mine in the mail!!! I love it!!! No, the sound quality is not the best, but it is a live concert so...that's to be expected? Anyway, I love it. Sound different with Roger back but good. And it's for a good cause. What's not to love?

No, it's not to be expected. Listen to Show or Paris. Listen to Concert. Listen to In Orange.

The sound plain sucks

1/17/2012 12:22 AM (GMT-04:00)

RichFit
Joined: 12/22/2008
Posts: 191
Location:

Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

ARNOYS wrote:
I noticed how much the audience is changed. Now days is more about having fun than to be in trance from your favorite group or music.

Exactly Arnoys. This is something some people in this forum don't understand yet.
Most people nowadays attend just to say they went to see a legendary rock band or just to spend the weekend.

1/17/2012 3:36 AM (GMT-04:00)

ToonLeonC14
Joined: 2/1/2011
Posts: 382
Location: UK

Re: Re: Re: The whole bestival thing

RichFit wrote:
ARNOYS wrote:
I noticed how much the audience is changed. Now days is more about having fun than to be in trance from your favorite group or music.

Exactly Arnoys. This is something some people in this forum don't understand yet.
Most people nowadays attend just to say they went to see a legendary rock band or just to spend the weekend.

Sadly I agree with your sentiments. However our preference of the Cure original appeal and sound is now definitely a minority. I am fortunate that I still find enjoyment in all styles of music including all style of Cure music unlike some die hard fans. The most annoying thing is that fans don't shut the f*ck up when A Forest is playing, I firmly believe that Robert feels that way although he can never say so. Just take Bestival he's so pissed off with fans groaning over A Forest he has barely left any sound from fans on the CD....

1/17/2012 9:33 AM (GMT-04:00)

Luciel
Joined: 10/27/2008
Posts: 645
Location: Houston, TX, US

Re: The whole bestival thing

Why were fans groaning during a Forest? Rude people! They were seriously doing that? I'm surprised Robert didn't tell them to shut the fuck up.

No, RichFit, I have never heard any of the soundboard bootlegs from the years you mention.

Yeah, I forgot about Paris. I used to have that but lost it a while back and it's been a while since I've listened to a live album. I've watched Trilogy just the other day, though. I wouldn't be so harsh as to say the sound sucks, but it is lacking.

1/17/2012 4:33 PM (GMT-04:00)

ForeverCure11
Joined: 4/10/2011
Posts: 39
Location: UK

Re: The whole bestival thing

I was at Bestival, and it was my first ever Cure show, so obviously I was in complete awe and stunned throughout. The sound was great there and I thought that they played fantastically, apart from The Hungry Ghost; that wasn't great.
However, I did notice that due to the fact that the majority of the audience were not actual proper Cure fans, a rather annoying Greatist Hits setlist was played. Just listen to the great cheer that erupts when they start playing Lovecats. Really rather pissed me off at the time, especially as I do not particularly like the song. :)After they played Let's Go To Bed, Why Can't I Be You and Boys Don't Cry, one after the other, I said'let's have some hardcore songs now - that's enough of the pop!' Then they started playing Jumping Someone Else's Train...so I was rather pleased! :)

But I do think that the sound isn't brilliant on the Bestival CD, but it does a pretty good job of bringing back the fantastic memories and emotions of that phenomenal night. Anyway, that's just what I think.

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