The Cure

Why Can't I Be You bestival

Can anyone who has any sort of musical background decipher what the heck he-who-must-never-be-criticized (JC) plays for the intro?!?!?!

It honestly sounds like he fell off the throne and hit a bunch of drums indescriminantly.

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Jason has shortened the intro and has changed it for one that is simple and yes, sounds like he just fell off the drumchair.
As I said in other post, he doesn't really bothers to play those distinctive drum parts of many songs. He thinks the high tom sounds the same as he floor tom and he firmly believes a crash cymbal is the same as hitting a china...



p.s. his drums sound like a mix of tupperwares and old sofas...

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As a person who has not one bit of drumming knowledge in my body, I can attest to the fact that the intro sounds like shit. And if I think it sounds crappy, then I can't imagine what it does to your ears.
Tupperware and old sofas--that made me laugh!

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You really can't get much simpler than the intro to "Why Can't I Be You". Honestly.

Would have been better to leave it off the release than to have that train wreck.

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Luciel wrote:
As a person who has not one bit of drumming knowledge in my body, I can attest to the fact that the intro sounds like shit. And if I think it sounds crappy, then I can't imagine what it does to your ears.
Tupperware and old sofas--that made me laugh!

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It's very short. Sounds like a quick means to get into a song ?!?!

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Maybe he should just hit the sticks next time to count them in but that would seem amateur?

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It's such a recognizable intro.--even to me--that he really should've tried to nail it. But if he couldn't, then he should've just counted them off with sticks.

And what is up with Catapiller? Or am I the only one who thinks the intro is way jacked?

Otherwise, I'm okay with the rest.

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to me the whole show sounds like it was played on a bunch of upside down paint tins....

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rachybee wrote:
to me the whole show sounds like it was played on a bunch of upside down paint tins....

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Luciel wrote:
It's such a recognizable intro.--even to me--that he really should've tried to nail it. But if he couldn't, then he should've just counted them off with sticks.

And what is up with Catapiller? Or am I the only one who thinks the intro is way jacked?

Otherwise, I'm okay with the rest.

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Sometimes i think he makes strange things to irritate those fans who dont' like him. Maybe Robert tells him to do that, maybe not. yes the intro sounds like sofas lol! it reminds me when i began playing 'drums' and i use to hit the chairs ,my bed and my sofas!
And why is Jason called he-who-must-never-be-criticized?

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edsalasdrummer wrote:
Sometimes i think he makes strange things to irritate those fans who dont' like him. Maybe Robert tells him to do that, maybe not. yes the intro sounds like sofas lol! it reminds me when i began playing 'drums' and i use to hit the chairs ,my bed and my sofas!
And why is Jason called he-who-must-never-be-criticized?

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Oh I forgot to mention that some people just hate Jason outright. To them there are no good drummers other than Andy and/or Boris. They are just haters and I don't even know why they continue to follow the Cure. They feel that Jason has absolutely no redeeming qualities as a drummer and just come here to bash him continuously.
I like people to make arguments with thier opinions, not just spew mindless negativity.

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Ooh i just noticed that he did count them in hitting sticks on Fascination Street and probably others that I haven't noticed...

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unearthed wrote:
Ooh i just noticed that he did count them in hitting sticks on Fascination Street and probably others that I haven't noticed...

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Luciel wrote:

edsalasdrummer wrote:
Sometimes i think he makes strange things to irritate those fans who dont' like him. Maybe Robert tells him to do that, maybe not. yes the intro sounds like sofas lol! it reminds me when i began playing 'drums' and i use to hit the chairs ,my bed and my sofas!
And why is Jason called he-who-must-never-be-criticized?

Well, if that's the reason, he really should've played everything as it should be for Bestival. After all it was being recorded for CD release.

Jason is a bit like Voldemort here. Some love him and think he's untouchable and never a negative word should be uttered against him simply because he is part of the Cure. These people are blinded by thier love/loyalty to the band.
Others don't like him but not necessarily because he is a bad drummer. They don't like him because they feel his style of drummming doesn't fit with the Cure's sound. They believe he would do well to go elsewhere with some other band. These people openly criticize Jason's playing on certain songs though not every one of them. This faction seems to like the Cure pre-Wild Mood Swings.
When these two groups meet, it's horrible. Things are taken out of context, lots of f*ck yous back and forth, and incessant posting. To one side, Jason is holier than thou and must never ever ever be criticized. To do that would be akin to blasphemy against the Cure. The other side is a more balanced approach that includes actual evidence of Jason's drumming mishaps.
Me? I am on neither side. I wish to remain like Switzerland though I do think the Jason's drumming sucks side carries more weight. The Cure are not gods. They are humans who screw up just like we do. So maybe Jason isn't the right drummer (and if I had to judge solely on the Bestival album, he's NOT), but he's the one they have right now, and since I am a huge fan, I'll take what I can get.
Read the posts between RichFit and tit8gowb and you'll get an idea of the polarization of these two thought processes.

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edsalasdrummer wrote:

unearthed wrote:
Ooh i just noticed that he did count them in hitting sticks on Fascination Street and probably others that I haven't noticed...

Hi. To hit the sticks is not amateur and he does it in almost all of the songs. Some exceptions are The only one, Inbetween days, play for today, shake dog shake and a couple more.
To hit the sticks is used to let the other guys know at what tempo they will play.

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leahcl wrote:

edsalasdrummer wrote:

unearthed wrote:
Ooh i just noticed that he did count them in hitting sticks on Fascination Street and probably others that I haven't noticed...

Hi. To hit the sticks is not amateur and he does it in almost all of the songs. Some exceptions are The only one, Inbetween days, play for today, shake dog shake and a couple more.
To hit the sticks is used to let the other guys know at what tempo they will play.

So that would have been better than the intro to Why Can't I Be You? Funny to me that people can get caught up in a couple of seconds at the start of a song. Unless I listen deliberately it is not something that penetrates my head enough to register let alone cause a reaction.

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edsalasdrummer wrote:

leahcl wrote:

edsalasdrummer wrote:

unearthed wrote:
Ooh i just noticed that he did count them in hitting sticks on Fascination Street and probably others that I haven't noticed...

Hi. To hit the sticks is not amateur and he does it in almost all of the songs. Some exceptions are The only one, Inbetween days, play for today, shake dog shake and a couple more.
To hit the sticks is used to let the other guys know at what tempo they will play.

So that would have been better than the intro to Why Can't I Be You? Funny to me that people can get caught up in a couple of seconds at the start of a song. Unless I listen deliberately it is not something that penetrates my head enough to register let alone cause a reaction.

The intro of Why Can't I be you is soooo well known among Cure fans that not playing it as it should, can be seen as a lack of respect for the song, the fans ,the composer (Boris) etc .. As I understand it, WCIBY MUST be played as recorded in studio. Believe me ,it is not difficult but is very musical and effective.

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Listen to this soundboard recording from 1996 where the intro is similar to the one in Bestival. It seems he can't or never bothered to play it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Cmz-b5TjE

His drums sound very acceptable here.

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so why does jason sound bad on all other shows apart from the trilogy dvd ? the drums on the trilogy dvd sound amazing..

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tomcure wrote:
so why does jason sound bad on all other shows apart from the trilogy dvd ? the drums on the trilogy dvd sound amazing..

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forgot to say that, in Trilogy, Jason's drums sounded only sounded good in the Bloodflowers set, obviously. Just listen how his drums sound in Pictures of you. Listen to his cymbals! listen to the snare drum in Plainsong!

Then go find live videos from 1989 and compare sounds.

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Not that this has really anything to do with The Cure, but this does remind me of the whole Jason/Boris thing. I remember reading once that Ringo Starr was the luckiest man alive because he is not a great drummer. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time when the Beatles needed a drummer after the original drummer died.