|1/16/2012 2:36 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Why Can't I Be You bestival
Can anyone who has any sort of musical background decipher what the heck he-who-must-never-be-criticized (JC) plays for the intro?!?!?!
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|1/17/2012 10:39 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Jason has shortened the intro and has changed it for one that is simple and yes, sounds like he just fell off the drumchair.
|1/17/2012 11:24 AM (GMT-04:00)|
As a person who has not one bit of drumming knowledge in my body, I can attest to the fact that the intro sounds like shit. And if I think it sounds crappy, then I can't imagine what it does to your ears.
|1/17/2012 3:29 PM (GMT-04:00)|
You really can't get much simpler than the intro to "Why Can't I Be You". Honestly.
|1/17/2012 5:27 PM (GMT-04:00)|
LOTS of times I read posts in this forum suggesting that Robert wants a modern sound for the drums -instead of the good thunderous sound of the past- to justify the crapy drum sound, but I'm yet to find a modern rock band whose drumset sounds as bad as Jason's .
|1/17/2012 7:54 PM (GMT-04:00)|
It's very short. Sounds like a quick means to get into a song ?!?!
|1/17/2012 11:37 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Maybe he should just hit the sticks next time to count them in but that would seem amateur?
|1/18/2012 12:48 AM (GMT-04:00)|
It's such a recognizable intro.--even to me--that he really should've tried to nail it. But if he couldn't, then he should've just counted them off with sticks.
|1/18/2012 7:33 AM (GMT-04:00)|
to me the whole show sounds like it was played on a bunch of upside down paint tins....
|1/18/2012 7:35 AM (GMT-04:00)|
AND I'm not Jason bashing...love him...I just think the sound was bad in general..or maybe it was just mixed badly...it was released rather quickly.
|1/18/2012 9:44 AM (GMT-04:00)|
that wciby intro sounds so different :(
i don't like the intro of caterpillar either. i feel the rhythm is too mechanical and i hate how the cymbals are played. Close to me sounds bad too. what the hell are those annoying sounds? they seem they are rattles, ugly claps,tambourines and who knows.
|1/19/2012 12:15 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Sometimes i think he makes strange things to irritate those fans who dont' like him. Maybe Robert tells him to do that, maybe not. yes the intro sounds like sofas lol! it reminds me when i began playing 'drums' and i use to hit the chairs ,my bed and my sofas!
|1/19/2012 12:54 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Well, if that's the reason, he really should've played everything as it should be for Bestival. After all it was being recorded for CD release.
Jason is a bit like Voldemort here. Some love him and think he's untouchable and never a negative word should be uttered against him simply because he is part of the Cure. These people are blinded by thier love/loyalty to the band.
Others don't like him but not necessarily because he is a bad drummer. They don't like him because they feel his style of drummming doesn't fit with the Cure's sound. They believe he would do well to go elsewhere with some other band. These people openly criticize Jason's playing on certain songs though not every one of them. This faction seems to like the Cure pre-Wild Mood Swings.
When these two groups meet, it's horrible. Things are taken out of context, lots of f*ck yous back and forth, and incessant posting. To one side, Jason is holier than thou and must never ever ever be criticized. To do that would be akin to blasphemy against the Cure. The other side is a more balanced approach that includes actual evidence of Jason's drumming mishaps.
Me? I am on neither side. I wish to remain like Switzerland though I do think the Jason's drumming sucks side carries more weight. The Cure are not gods. They are humans who screw up just like we do. So maybe Jason isn't the right drummer (and if I had to judge solely on the Bestival album, he's NOT), but he's the one they have right now, and since I am a huge fan, I'll take what I can get.
Read the posts between RichFit and tit8gowb and you'll get an idea of the polarization of these two thought processes.
|1/19/2012 12:59 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Oh I forgot to mention that some people just hate Jason outright. To them there are no good drummers other than Andy and/or Boris. They are just haters and I don't even know why they continue to follow the Cure. They feel that Jason has absolutely no redeeming qualities as a drummer and just come here to bash him continuously.
|1/19/2012 4:53 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Ooh i just noticed that he did count them in hitting sticks on Fascination Street and probably others that I haven't noticed...
|1/19/2012 8:56 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Hi. To hit the sticks is not amateur and he does it in almost all of the songs. Some exceptions are The only one, Inbetween days, play for today, shake dog shake and a couple more.
To hit the sticks is used to let the other guys know at what tempo they will play.
|1/19/2012 9:09 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Luciel wrote:edsalasdrummer wrote:
Thank you so much for the explanation Luciel!
I have read many of the post of Richfit and tit8gobb.. both are very passionate. I concur with Richfit (i hope tit8gowbb doesn't gets angry with me for saying that).
I have also read some posts of people who hates jason for not being (or playing like) Boris or Andy Anderson. But what they hate is the lack of attitude of Jason (he looks a little bored when playing live). At least this is what I feel.
|1/19/2012 9:41 PM (GMT-04:00)|
edsalasdrummer wrote:unearthed wrote:
So that would have been better than the intro to Why Can't I Be You? Funny to me that people can get caught up in a couple of seconds at the start of a song. Unless I listen deliberately it is not something that penetrates my head enough to register let alone cause a reaction.
|1/19/2012 10:00 PM (GMT-04:00)|
leahcl wrote:edsalasdrummer wrote:unearthed wrote:
The intro of Why Can't I be you is soooo well known among Cure fans that not playing it as it should, can be seen as a lack of respect for the song, the fans ,the composer (Boris) etc .. As I understand it, WCIBY MUST be played as recorded in studio. Believe me ,it is not difficult but is very musical and effective.
|1/19/2012 10:13 PM (GMT-04:00)|
edsalasdrummer wrote:leahcl wrote:edsalasdrummer wrote:
**shrugs** Just listened back on the album version and it is not where I come in on the song. Hopefully next time Jason plays it right for those it means most to. I wonder if the upcoming festivals will bring more Jason headlines?
|1/21/2012 9:50 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Listen to this soundboard recording from 1996 where the intro is similar to the one in Bestival. It seems he can't or never bothered to play it right.
|1/22/2012 10:39 AM (GMT-04:00)|
so why does jason sound bad on all other shows apart from the trilogy dvd ? the drums on the trilogy dvd sound amazing..
|1/22/2012 10:59 AM (GMT-04:00)|
In 1997 Jason drums began to sound bad as you can find by looking for videos in YouTube. Maybe because Robert was looking for a different sound and -let's face it- Jason is easy to boss and it's not difficult to guess that he says 'yes' to everything Robert tells him to do. I remember an interview where Boris said that for the KMx3 he was looking for different drum sounds for each song and he was like an hour tuning until he gets the sound he wanted. He had a say in the band and a great musician.
|1/22/2012 11:03 AM (GMT-04:00)|
forgot to say that, in Trilogy, Jason's drums sounded only sounded good in the Bloodflowers set, obviously. Just listen how his drums sound in Pictures of you. Listen to his cymbals! listen to the snare drum in Plainsong!
|1/22/2012 2:09 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Not that this has really anything to do with The Cure, but this does remind me of the whole Jason/Boris thing. I remember reading once that Ringo Starr was the luckiest man alive because he is not a great drummer. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time when the Beatles needed a drummer after the original drummer died.
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