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We'll see.

Didn't update latest poster or post count until I post this. duh nuh na na...

Roll call, is everybody still here?

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LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:
Nothing wrong with that I have enormous respect for study and working for science, but I only ask you to listen ( and I I know two hours looks a long time but in you're life it's like a split second.
Please take your time to examine this as well the further this dvd progresses it get's really worth to take in the information.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE ?

To be honest ....I took some pauses a few times as well

Lots of Love
Levs

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PLease I can only say, look first, hear the facts and judge later

I talk to you after you have taken the descision to give it a try and your time

So I see you maybe tomorrow or later or not for a long while ?

Well, succes I hope you make the right choise,
seriously
It's all up to you

Lots of love
Levs

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LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:

PLease I can only say, look first, hear the facts and judge later

I talk to you after you have taken the descision to give it a try and your time

So I see you maybe tomorrow or later or not for a long while ?

Well, succes I hope you make the right choise,
seriously
It's all up to you

Lots of love
Levs

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You stobbern girl...
I open up for different theorys and sure I can see what you are trying to say.

All I do is ask you to sit down and take the time to see and listen to this.
So... you have the link and go crazy for once and follow the path

And now I'm really leaving you on your own.

Take care
Levs

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LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:
You stobbern girl...
I open up for different theorys and sure I can see what you are trying to say.

All I do is ask you to sit down and take the time to see and listen to this.
So... you have the link and go crazy for once and follow the path

And now I'm really leaving you on your own.

Take care
Levs

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This is a debate that has gone on for centuries :-) And will no doubt take just as long to come to some sort of conclusion, even if it's to agree to disagree! But the timing of Creation is off for me, science has proven that creation occurred AGES before Christianity (and other religions) say it happened.

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MissArr0w wrote:

LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:

OK
Now you really get me going
My dear child, I just finished watching a dvd ( one of a series of eight) almost two hours of not only facts even some humor
I bought it because my eldest told me we are born out of just one single bacterium and that I REALLY had to see this documentary about the evolutiontheory.
About halfway I already got sleepy, it was like a childrensanimationmovie
He also told me .."".but I do believe in God, but what about Adam and Eve? ( he was not into God before and I don't really talk a lot about my religion, so this was a miracle to me :-)
I just told him that they were the first people on earth.
Someone adviced me to show him these dvd's from Dr. Kent Hovind

The complete Creationseminar

The first one is called: The age of the earth,2 The garden of Eden, 3 Dinosaurs( maybe this is not the right translation ) 4 Lies int the textbooks 5 The dangers of evolution 6 The Hovind Theory 7a Questions and answers
7b Questions and answers

True it did cost me ( around 50 Euro, is that about the same as dollars ? BUT save on a few hamburgers with a coke or whatever you can save some money from )
He also wrote loads of books, goes around in several States with his seminars

BUT IT IS REALLY IS AMAZING, so worthwhile
everyone SHOULD SEE IT ( AND I ONLY WATCHED THE FIRST DVD )

It's a livesaver,
This man has also a friend his book has the title: There are no atheists, and I agree

Missy you will see what's going to happen when I decide to spread my wings

PS

Suzanne I am so happy to see you here again. I also gave up smoking ( when I gave up I was thinking about you !) So you managed to help me from a distance without knowing


And now try it out!

Listen to this man , give it a try
You can also start with just buying one book
but watching a dvd is far more interesting


www.dr.dino.com

Lots of Love
Levs

Levs, its fine you belive in God.
but my world is a totally different.
I have a master in Biology/Humanbiology and I am during a PhD in Radiation Biology/Cancer Therapy. Evolution is essential to the devlopment of cancer. If I didn´t believe in evolution I would not be able to do the work I do.
Look around you evolution happens everywhere at every time. evolution is involved in the development of cancer, the therapy resistantcy that somestimes happens during therapy, the rational behind combination therapy of HIV, the antibiotic resistantcy we see in some bacteria and I could go on and on and on!

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Nice to see you, Miss Suzanne:)

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I do think that it is possible to maintain a completely open mind where there is a balance between Science and Theology in such a way that a Scientist can believe in various forms of Evolution AND still believe in a Higher Power, Intelligent Design and all that goes with it.

I do/don't believe in Evolution. I believe in the evolution of microbes, bacteria, plant forms, such and such. With that said, I do believe there was a First Man and a First Woman. Science has already given a great deal of evidence that we have all originated from a one man and one woman...both in Nigeria. I believe it points to the LaSonga People (spelling???) Watch "The Journey of Man on Public Television. I think all parts are on YouTube. It's the great DNA project story in detail. Amazing findings. Utterly fascinating documentary.

But where did that one Man and one Woman come from? I do not believe, at all, in the evolution up from apes. I have seen the skeletons of people who have suffered from Rickets and they look like the bones of a cave man...even when they are not. I'd been saying that for YEARS, with no evidence of my hypothesis UNTIL I was at the Smithsonian History Museum and there saw a display of a prehistoric family of three who was perfectly formed in every way. This was, according to the display, due to the fact that this family was found buried in Key Biscayne Park...at the end of Key Biscayne. I KNOW that place. I'd been to the park dozens of times growing up. The fact that there was ample Vitamin D due to the sunshine (after all Florida is The Sunshine State) whereas, in Europe, where the indigenous people of long ago were living in caves, they were deprived of sunshine for the most part. My ex-husband (who heard my hypothesis ad nauseam) was flabbergasted. All I said was, "See. That's what I mean." So as far as I'm concerned, there is still no absolute proof of the "Evolution of Man" as we have been force fed to try to believe. As some do, and some just simply cannot digest. I am one who cannot digest that as being truth.



Peace & Love to all...

Later...


Another thing...I do not believe some Bible "Scholars" who claim that Earth is only some thousand years old...based on math calculations of the Bible. That makes no sense to me whatsoever. And, I really do not believe in the 7 day Creation...based on our timing of what a day is. That day could have been tens of thousands of years EACH...and more likely much, much longer. But timing doesn't dismiss the concept of Intelligent Design at all. Interesting. All of it.

I'm a HUGE fan of Adam & Eve :-) They are my second and third MOST favorite people...EVER :) The MOST Favorite being Robert Smith...


Now, Later...

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One should also contemplate that the earth was populated by aliens. It seemed plausible in my late teens/early 20s... I don't let myself be convinced by creation or evolution. The old testament was written by people with little understanding of science and even if humans evolved from apes we are a miracle of God.

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This book I read in one siting, blew my mind a bit tbh

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprints_of_the_Gods

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It Is a commen misconception that humans develop from the apes we see today.
Apes and humans evolved from a shared ancestor, both different from us human and ourdays apes.

the most famous first women is name Lucy. she was a Australopithecus afarensis and lived in etiopia around 3,2 millions yaer ago (I think)
However recently a new discovery of an even eralier hominid, the Ardipithecus ramidus has been found, a women named Ardi how also lived in etiopia but around 4,4 millions years ago.

If you want to know about science, dont use the internet. there is so much crap out there. use Peer review high impact journals (Science and Nature are the top)

Suzanne: get some DNA from robert, clone him and you can get your own lillet Robert smith. this will cost you a lot, and have to be done in internaltional sea, as it is illegal

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Lucy is not the missing link, you are betrayed.
I've just seen it and hope I can show it to you
to convince that for so manmy years this even got thougt in textbooks in several schools
Same about the other Ardi is, just another story

Love
Levs

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LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:
Lucy is not the missing link, you are betrayed.
I've just seen it and hope I can show it to you
to convince that for so manmy years this even got thougt in textbooks in several schools
Same about the other Ardi is, just another story

Love
Levs

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Sorry, I was too hasty using the term missing link

Now listen to this about LUCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IywrxUAAdN0

It starts at 6.29 minutes
and don't you dear to call this a lie

daer miss

I meant don't you dare :)

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LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:

Sorry, I was too hasty using the term missing link

Now listen to this about LUCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IywrxUAAdN0

It starts at 6.29 minutes
and don't you dear to call this a lie

daer miss

I meant don't you dare :)

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I will keep it short as you say you don't know all, neither do scientists.
Also they have been proven wrong for several ( often disgusting reasons and times )

I gave you a link earlier in this topic, if you have the time try to widen your horizon and make the time to see it.
It's part one and also takes 2 hours

I started to watch part two today and took a break after one hour, because I've just watched about Lucy when you made a thread about this subject and something inside me wanted to respond.

Anyway six and ahalf dvd's to go

Succes
Lots of Love
Levs

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Isn't this the OPEN FORUM part of the forum where we can post what we want? Whether it's peanut butter slaps or RSX's dirty underwear or about God, we have a right to say what we think or feel. If it offends you, go to the next thread. That's life, Miss Arrow. Deal with it and stop telling people what they can and cannot talk about because it may harm your Atheistic sensitivities.

By the way, Satan is real. So is God. I support what Levs has said. I guess we'll all find out one day, but I'm pretty sure that there is a God in heaven. He would be displeased with you but He still loves you.

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Perhaps Human Beings did NOT evolve from apes. Perhaps it was the other way around...that apes are the result of a pair of mutated humans that mated and inbred consistently, making all the characteristics of ape becoming the dominant genes...creating an entirely new species??????

When I was a kid, I was WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY into climbing...anything. Mostly trees, but I'd climb anything (then). So that is supposedly a learned skill I inherited from apes? Or did Apes learn that from my original me?

I use to be intrigued by more than I am now. I have since realized that one Scientist's "discovery" is something that another Scientist might successfully debunk later. Like that enormous cache of supposed "fake" Neanderathal tools that were found in Sussex back in the late 1900's during an excavation for a big house that was going to be built. The find was so massive that it was considered to be complete forgeries and most of the tools were destroyed to keep them from mingling with "true" Neanderthal relics, much to the embarrassment of the scientist who brought their discovery to the attention of other archeologists at that time. The man became a laughing stock.

HOWEVER, as Fate would have it....around 2008...Lo & Behold! It was discovered that those tools were genuine...a great many more were found in the same place (as are STILL being uncovered to this day) , to validate the original claims...which, by the way, drove the archeologist who brought them to light into a shamed existence to be known as a "faker". Etc., etc., etc. Accordingly, the Sussex site claims to be the last known settlement of Neanderthals (so far) and that the so-called animalistic dumb Neanderthals were far more sophisticated in their abilities to design tools for specific tasks, etc. and their intelligence is proven to be much, MUCH greater than we were ever taught to believe. So even though apes use tools, apes...well, ape...copy...so isn't it possible that apes learned to use tools by watching humans use them?

Just saying.

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Wow, and I thought it was just gonna be another thread on how this forum dies out when the band is quiet and picks right back up as soon as they announce something.

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pixiescure wrote:
Wow, and I thought it was just gonna be another thread on how this forum dies out when the band is quiet and picks right back up as soon as they announce something.

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MissArr0w wrote:

LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:

Sorry, I was too hasty using the term missing link

Now listen to this about LUCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IywrxUAAdN0

It starts at 6.29 minutes
and don't you dear to call this a lie

daer miss

I meant don't you dare :)

I dont know the detials of the discovery of Lucy, but I can´t really see the problem. If he called her the missing link, that would have been wrong. but she not being the missing link, is not a proof that humans and apes did not have the same ancestor.
If you look a our DNA, which is where mutations, and thereby also evolution happens (very simplified!) you will find that our days human and chimpansies have 99% procent identical/similarities (again very simplified!). For me that is the most convincing evidence of a common anscestor (again there are other "proof")
an essential part of science is the constant questioning of what we think we know. our understanding of the world constantly changes when new discorveries are being found. while small new disvories happens a lot, there are some ground stones on which we bouild other hypotesis to test. ground rules like gravity, the fact that the sun is the rotating center in our solar system, or EVOLUTION. these ground stones have so many "evidences" behind and are therefore very seldom changed. when they do change due to new overwelming evidence a whole new paradigm has to be created.
We dont have a fixed view of the world. in fact we only have an idea about what 5% of the universe is. the 95% rest of it, we have no f...... clue.
What I am trying to say is; science would be willing to through away the theory of evolution, if there were overwhelming evidence against it. But there are NOT!

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...and what can I do ?

I reach out my hand You are intelligent and capable to appreciate facts
well go ahead, you can learn from what you are about to see
I took only two pauses
:)

This is dvd 3
I haven't posted 2 but if you want it's also on you tube I think

I've absorbed your information, hopefully you'll do the same with mine

Lots of Love
I see you tomorrow

PS
I bet you didn't even watch dvd 1
Honestly...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5o8BRhFMKk

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More lies...

dvd 4

I just started to watch.
My advice watches but don't forget to taje a few breaks
Who can look objective and judge ?

You tell me

Lots of Love
Bless you

Levs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8GgrUposII

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Fountains of the deep...
We're almost there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY0rj-TEx4o

Maybe not a lot of you care a lot, but I'm intrigued by these two religions

Lots of Love
Levs

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when i get a little time to sit and just watch t.v., i'm going to try to stream these youtube videos though my Wii. There is no way I can sit in front of a computer that long to watch any that long. But I'm curious to watch.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIW0Vrtld_Y :7A

Questions and answers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UrU12Q0I30 :7B

I haven't seen these, indeed You need to have the time take the time and find the time, but I just finished watching part 6
With 7... I'm going to wait a few days, not longer, because there's always something, a reason, excuse whatever.
Also I do admit it's difficult to sit down and find a comfortable position watching a dvd during two hours and more behind your computer

I REALLY have enough for now, ofcourse I'm silly enough to change my mind

Oh, and Suzanne, if you believe in Adam and Eve and angels, then you're close to God, he's already there patiently waiting for you

Lord
I'm a sinner, please forgive me
In the name of Jesus Christ Amen

A simple prayer, but now you are saved
and you'll see your life will change and you can ask and say and tell and sing to him
Prayers will be heard if HE WANTS
at his time
at his place
It can take minutes, hours, days, weeks, even years ( I experience), but you just have to knock and the door will be openened

Just like Heaven

Lots of Love
Levs
Goodbye and think ...THINK HARD

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LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIW0Vrtld_Y :7A

Questions and answers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UrU12Q0I30 :7B

I haven't seen these, indeed You need to have the time take the time and find the time, but I just finished watching part 6
With 7... I'm going to wait a few days, not longer, because there's always something, a reason, excuse whatever.
Also I do admit it's difficult to sit down and find a comfortable position watching a dvd during two hours and more behind your computer

I REALLY have enough for now, ofcourse I'm silly enough to change my mind

Oh, and Suzanne, if you believe in Adam and Eve and angels, then you're close to God, he's already there patiently waiting for you

Lord
I'm a sinner, please forgive me
In the name of Jesus Christ Amen

A simple prayer, but now you are saved
and you'll see your life will change and you can ask and say and tell and sing to him
Prayers will be heard if HE WANTS
at his time
at his place
It can take minutes, hours, days, weeks, even years ( I experience), but you just have to knock and the door will be openened

Just like Heaven

Lots of Love
Levs
Goodbye and think ...THINK HARD

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Hallelujah
; )

Good to hear !
By the way there are more Christians here, like Lucy: thanks you've posted, You gave me a real good feeling after reading it.

So Suzanne,
It was true, he IS close to you...

Besides I only gave an EXAMPLE of a prayer, but nothing is more personal than THIS.
Because I didn't know that about you I decided to put down this very short prayer.

Important is to ask him to forgive you and let him in your life, always in Jesus name and end with Amen
Nobody comes to the Lord than through Jesus
I should have written that,
sorry.

In your case: he already is in your life

To give you an example I talk to him every day:
during a walk, when I am doing things in the house, during a commercial, under the shower, in the car etc.
Sometimes just a question, sometimes a langer talk, whatever
But for a real serious prayer: in church and before I go to sleep
Actually he already knows you inside out from the day you were concieved.

Since only a few years I've started to read the bible.
I was really eager page, after page, afte page. I just kept reading, so 3 times I've read the complete bible, still there are things that God didn't meant us to know, for example: Revelations.
Nowadays I read half a page, a page or sometimes more pages, I try to do this every day.
Ofcourse there are times that I'm occupied with other matters, for sure he will understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoRSBGD7vb

This is the only part I couldn't find on you tube, but I managed to do so : it's part two;
GARDEN OF EDEN
My son woke me up, he couldn't sleep anymore

So I'm up since 5 o'clock this morning,
time for a coffee

Lots of Love
Levs

PS Not only for you, but for everyone, even if you don't believe; it's just real interesting, Try these links by Dr. Kent Hovind that I gave.
It's worth spending some time on this Creationseminar
My last advice is to take a few breaks, like every half an hour. This guy goes like a comet
No worries if you have no intention doing so, I'm just sharing...

Bless you

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please people. take you time to read this post.
I am breaking my heart here.

I understand that in religion you can just believe or have faith.
And I understand the argument of ex Adam and Eve being the first humans because the bible say so. what the bible says is true. That is the terms of Christianity. and I can handle that.
But creationism say that they are Scientific. to be that you must follow the terms of science.
can we agree so fare?

the problem is they do not follow the terms of science. to do so they must have a hypothesis (that means question) to test in an objective manner.
(okay, now it gets a bit complex. when you then get your results, you send them in to an independent peer review journals to get reviewed by independent reviewer. then if your exsperiments are well done, you get them published. then all other scientist and the public can see what you have done. Ican see that this seem like a lot of work and belive me it is! )

If creationist ever had tested their hypothesis (eg. that evoultion did not exist) they could send in their article and get publish. If their result were over-whelming they would get the noble prize. if they just published anything in a high impart journal, then the science-world would read it and think about it.


But they never test their hypothesis, in an objective manner! They never follow the rules of science. so how can they claim to be scientific!


what I am trying to say is:
If you believe in God do so because of faith.
If you want to be objective and get "proof" go into science.
Logic, Objective and be able to test your hypothesis are Key Stones in science (there are more).
Use your logic. the argument the creationist have are not logic or objective!
Do not believe that the creationist do science. They do not follow the rules of science!



Please, do not believe in creationism! (you can still believe in God!)
What can I do to convince you or just make you listen ??????
Please, I am Broken hearted here!!!

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A dream come true!.
At last we will have in Paraguay!
I have 38 years and from 10 it is my dream to see them live in my country!
I count the days, hours and seconds for my ears hear their songs live from the heart of South America!
Welcome Robert, The Cure are welcome!+595981826510(phone movil)

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JulioFeltesQuenhan wrote:
A dream come true!.
At last we will have in Paraguay!
I have 38 years and from 10 it is my dream to see them live in my country!
I count the days, hours and seconds for my ears hear their songs live from the heart of South America!
Welcome Robert, The Cure are welcome!+595981826510(phone movil)

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LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM,
I just want to recommend an amazing book to you:
The Daily Bible in Chronological Order (365 Daily Readings) - by F. LaGard Smith.
It was recommended to me long ago, but I put off reading it for a couple years, thinking I didn’t need to bother with it since I already read the Bible. I was wrong. By presenting God’s story in the order that it actually occurred (and adding side comments of historical information as well as spiritual insights), this book makes God’s unfolding plan VERY CLEAR. I can’t stress that enough.
If you are able to find a copy of it, read it. Believe me---you will be very glad you did.
To my great sadness (and her great joy), that wonderful person who recommended this book to me is now with Jesus. To say that I miss her very much is an understatement.

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Okay, I just read my post and realized that it sounds a little like those weird golf club ads.
Sorry about that!

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Miss Arrow If you're brokenhearted; have a talk with God, ask him to forgive you in the name of Jesus and that he will give you wisdom, insight, understanding, common sense and so on.
You'll get your answers if he wants to
at his place and his time.
Your prayers will be heard if you're sincere,
there is no other way
I tried to reach out to you and bough a box with 8 dvd's, but you are not willing to be objective and give it a try

Go and listen to all of them.
There's plenty evidence that condradicts what you are stating here.
Evolution is also a religion

Iam objective too, I only believe the bible, this man came on my path because of my son who really, really wanted me to see this dvd about evolution, "so that I would believe"

Maybe I already told this:
my anwer was not a thousand, not millions of this kinds of information will change my mind:
You know I believe in God
and I always will

Good Luck
Lots of Love
Levs

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Hello Eric

Good to see you here, I didn't expect lots of people to agree with me on religion, if you, do it's getting easier by the day.
If you don't you get more restless
"The godless will never find peace"

Ashame you didn't post it yesterday, because I was in the library today.
I'm curious and will read this book
allthough I'm busy and not into reading 500 pages books right now
Also you need to know that I'm so sorry of your loss
And I know how you must feel right now

A few years ago I lost my brother
and my mother one and a half year ago

Maybe you can comfort yourself by telling yourself that SHE pointed you in the right direction by recommending this book, which makes it possible to give yourself permission to feel better allready.
The pain will always be there, but as time goes by it'll be more bearable

Bless you
and believe me I will find this book,
thanks for letting me know

I wish you all well
and my dream is that more people will meet God and Jesus,
just by reaching out

Lots of Love

Levs

I am going to see the last dvd nr 8 (7b) questions and answers
So much information, maybe half an hour, coffee first

:)

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LOSTGIRLJERUSALEM wrote:
Hello Eric

Good to see you here, I didn't expect lots of people to agree with me on religion, if you, do it's getting easier by the day.
If you don't you get more restless
"The godless will never find peace"

Ashame you didn't post it yesterday, because I was in the library today.
I'm curious and will read this book
allthough I'm busy and not into reading 500 pages books right now
Also you need to know that I'm so sorry of your loss
And I know how you must feel right now

A few years ago I lost my brother
and my mother one and a half year ago

Maybe you can comfort yourself by telling yourself that SHE pointed you in the right direction by recommending this book, which makes it possible to give yourself permission to feel better allready.
The pain will always be there, but as time goes by it'll be more bearable

Bless you
and believe me I will find this book,
thanks for letting me know

I wish you all well
and my dream is that more people will meet God and Jesus,
just by reaching out

Lots of Love

Levs

I am going to see the last dvd nr 8 (7b) questions and answers
So much information, maybe half an hour, coffee first

:)

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I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but here’s a little question on a slightly different subject:

MissArrOw, what exactly is that in your profile picture? Is it cacti in a lush, green field or a super close-up of a petri dish? Where was that beautiful photo taken?

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"The problem is they do not follow the terms of science. to do so they must have a hypothesis (that means question) to test in an objective manner.
(okay, now it gets a bit complex. when you then get your results, you send them in to an independent peer review journals to get reviewed by independent reviewer. then if your exsperiments are well done, you get them published. then all other scientist and the public can see what you have done. Ican see that this seem like a lot of work and believe me it is! )"

Very true. Which led me, who deeply believes in Science to vehemently object to the entire chemical soup "theory" (which is really merely a vague hypothesis) because the idea of placing a whole lot of specific chemicals in a big pot the applying super intense heat over time hasn't produced a single cell of anything. So it is unproven. Which leaves it still in the realm of hypothesis. Which can be widely speculated upon...as it is...but cannot be "believed" because it is not "yet" (or ever to be) proven to be specifically true.

So, where did everything REALLY come from? All that was here...from the core of the Earth out to everything upon it...had to begin somewhere. And that is where Science and Spirituality vigorously clash. So, rather than force feed unproven hypothesis in either direction, it is better...for me...to continue to see it all as a fantastic magical Spiritual Mystery, rather than simply poo-poo it away as being too silly to believe possible. Oddly, I've experienced more of the magically mysterious in my lifetime to not believe that there is more leaning toward a mystical explanation to creation than not. Although, I do see a compatible marriage between Science AND Spirituality, which is something that most Christians that I've known will accept. Which is no big deal to me because for many years now, I believe what I choose to believe...not what I'm told to believe. So perhaps my version of how someone perceives God and the next person's are somewhat to quite different. That doesn't change my perspective in the least. I am still in the discovery stage...which, I am certain, will continue right up to the end of my life.

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ti8tgowbb wrote:
"The problem is they do not follow the terms of science. to do so they must have a hypothesis (that means question) to test in an objective manner.
(okay, now it gets a bit complex. when you then get your results, you send them in to an independent peer review journals to get reviewed by independent reviewer. then if your exsperiments are well done, you get them published. then all other scientist and the public can see what you have done. Ican see that this seem like a lot of work and believe me it is! )"

Very true. Which led me, who deeply believes in Science to vehemently object to the entire chemical soup "theory" (which is really merely a vague hypothesis) because the idea of placing a whole lot of specific chemicals in a big pot the applying super intense heat over time hasn't produced a single cell of anything. So it is unproven. Which leaves it still in the realm of hypothesis. Which can be widely speculated upon...as it is...but cannot be "believed" because it is not "yet" (or ever to be) proven to be specifically true.

So, where did everything REALLY come from? All that was here...from the core of the Earth out to everything upon it...had to begin somewhere. And that is where Science and Spirituality vigorously clash. So, rather than force feed unproven hypothesis in either direction, it is better...for me...to continue to see it all as a fantastic magical Spiritual Mystery, rather than simply poo-poo it away as being too silly to believe possible. Oddly, I've experienced more of the magically mysterious in my lifetime to not believe that there is more leaning toward a mystical explanation to creation than not. Although, I do see a compatible marriage between Science AND Spirituality, which is something that most Christians that I've known will accept. Which is no big deal to me because for many years now, I believe what I choose to believe...not what I'm told to believe. So perhaps my version of how someone perceives God and the next person's are somewhat to quite different. That doesn't change my perspective in the least. I am still in the discovery stage...which, I am certain, will continue right up to the end of my life.

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Interesting thread. I registered specifically to post on this. That said, I want to preface my post with the fact that I am a huge Cure fan and have been for many years (my favorite show was at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena).

1. If you are "atheist", provide positions to support your views rather than spouting Anton LaVey's "The Satanic Bible" which was written in the 60's. I've read it. Pretty good book, and as an agnostic individual, I'd prefer to follow it than the Christian Bible (or the Jewish Bible, the Koran, etc). As a matter of fact, within the book he specifically mentions that neither God nor Satan exist, and his book is meant as an anti-religious book. The Satanist religious zealots took the parts they wanted (while ignoring other parts) and pushed forward with the "Satanic" religion we see today. That said, it's a bunch of crap written by a guy that found followers, nothing more.

2. To my last sentence above, many people believe the Christian (and Jewish) bible are the same, only written far, far before. In other words, the Christian bible (and religion) is no more valid than the Satanic Bible. There is no proof that what is said in these scriptures (Christian, Satanic or otherwise) are accurate and exist.

3. Science - This is hard to deny. Science has disproved most of what scriptures of various religions have stated. This is incontrovertible truth. There is not evidence to say that what science has found is inaccurate.

4. I am agnostic. I believe there is a higher power, however I don't think we have any evidence (or even the power to comprehend it) to prove that one god is the defacto higher power.

5. I think people should be able to discuss their religious beliefs on a forum such as this (in the general discussion area) if it does not violate the TOS of said forum. Offer counterpoints and arguments, but do not bash each other for point of view. This will lead nowhere. If you wish to post about your religion, please be ready to have a thick skin, as people with opposing views will likely try to dispute yours. We should all behave as adults and (if we wish, there is no reason you have to post in a thread you don't agree with) discuss the issue at topic with measured responses instead of insults.

Whew. Sorry that had to be my first post. By the way, other than the SA dates, is the Cure planning to tour other continents shortly after?

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ErikAilums wrote:


I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but here’s a little question on a slightly different subject:

MissArrOw, what exactly is that in your profile picture? Is it cacti in a lush, green field or a super close-up of a petri dish? Where was that beautiful photo taken?

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Hello if you manage to listen to all of this with an open mind you will find out that it's a life saviorIt takes a lot of time to get ready antd take the time to realize that nothing is what it seems

Answers and questions ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLCsd0MZaso

Answers and questions...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRAnrMHU0hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly50W0gAiVE

Hovind theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY0rj-TEx4o

The whole seminar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsUSOZUkhx4

Dangers of Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaS42TPOu0U

Age of the earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szBTl3S24MY

Garden of Eden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoRSBGD7vbA

Dinosaurs and the bible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIF7Yh3hI


Good Luck
Bless you
Lots of Love
Levs

PS I'm rather busy so if you don't see me, I see you

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dmodert66 wrote:
Interesting thread. I registered specifically to post on this. That said, I want to preface my post with the fact that I am a huge Cure fan and have been for many years (my favorite show was at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena).

1. If you are "atheist", provide positions to support your views rather than spouting Anton LaVey's "The Satanic Bible" which was written in the 60's. I've read it. Pretty good book, and as an agnostic individual, I'd prefer to follow it than the Christian Bible (or the Jewish Bible, the Koran, etc). As a matter of fact, within the book he specifically mentions that neither God nor Satan exist, and his book is meant as an anti-religious book. The Satanist religious zealots took the parts they wanted (while ignoring other parts) and pushed forward with the "Satanic" religion we see today. That said, it's a bunch of crap written by a guy that found followers, nothing more.

2. To my last sentence above, many people believe the Christian (and Jewish) bible are the same, only written far, far before. In other words, the Christian bible (and religion) is no more valid than the Satanic Bible. There is no proof that what is said in these scriptures (Christian, Satanic or otherwise) are accurate and exist.

3. Science - This is hard to deny. Science has disproved most of what scriptures of various religions have stated. This is incontrovertible truth. There is not evidence to say that what science has found is inaccurate.

4. I am agnostic. I believe there is a higher power, however I don't think we have any evidence (or even the power to comprehend it) to prove that one god is the defacto higher power.

5. I think people should be able to discuss their religious beliefs on a forum such as this (in the general discussion area) if it does not violate the TOS of said forum. Offer counterpoints and arguments, but do not bash each other for point of view. This will lead nowhere. If you wish to post about your religion, please be ready to have a thick skin, as people with opposing views will likely try to dispute yours. We should all behave as adults and (if we wish, there is no reason you have to post in a thread you don't agree with) discuss the issue at topic with measured responses instead of insults.

Whew. Sorry that had to be my first post. By the way, other than the SA dates, is the Cure planning to tour other continents shortly after?

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ahhh..."religion"...religion is an entirely different subject. Religion is the thorniest or all issues. Wars have been waged, and continue to wage because of religion.

The last time I checked, there are approximately 41,000 DIFFERENT Christian denominations. 41,000!!! So, which one would I fit into? I gave up looking. I'm not a "religious" person. I am highly spiritual though, so it has made me a life-long "Seeker". I was raised Catholic, so very much of how I relate to God is tightly still tied to my my inner child and my inner child remains Catholic-ish.

Where religion is concerned, I figure if it takes 41,000 DIFFERENT Christian denominations to decide what to believe, then I should all go back to square one and start over trying to figure it out all over again. That's where I'm headed. In my research for "The Truth", I've been led to look deeper for the beginning. And that took me back to: Catholic.

But, although I was raised and understand Roman Catholic, that isn't the Catholic I'm going to look at more closely. I'm going to investigate to the very beginning, before the Roman Catholic Church was created...to the Orthodox Catholic Church...because I really want to know. I've allowed my persistent Inner Child to pull me around by her insistent hand this long...so I'm letting her tug me over to see what that is all about. I wish there was a church near me. But there is not. So I'll have to go back to book learning yet again and see what I gain from it. It's slow going, but it feels like it is the end of the long and winding road...so it's going to be interesting to discover what I find there.



Peace...and love :-x

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dmodert66 wrote:
Interesting thread. I registered specifically to post on this. That said, I want to preface my post with the fact that I am a huge Cure fan and have been for many years (my favorite show was at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena).

1. If you are "atheist", provide positions to support your views rather than spouting Anton LaVey's "The Satanic Bible" which was written in the 60's. I've read it. Pretty good book, and as an agnostic individual, I'd prefer to follow it than the Christian Bible (or the Jewish Bible, the Koran, etc). As a matter of fact, within the book he specifically mentions that neither God nor Satan exist, and his book is meant as an anti-religious book. The Satanist religious zealots took the parts they wanted (while ignoring other parts) and pushed forward with the "Satanic" religion we see today. That said, it's a bunch of crap written by a guy that found followers, nothing more.

2. To my last sentence above, many people believe the Christian (and Jewish) bible are the same, only written far, far before. In other words, the Christian bible (and religion) is no more valid than the Satanic Bible. There is no proof that what is said in these scriptures (Christian, Satanic or otherwise) are accurate and exist.

3. Science - This is hard to deny. Science has disproved most of what scriptures of various religions have stated. This is incontrovertible truth. There is not evidence to say that what science has found is inaccurate.

4. I am agnostic. I believe there is a higher power, however I don't think we have any evidence (or even the power to comprehend it) to prove that one god is the defacto higher power.

5. I think people should be able to discuss their religious beliefs on a forum such as this (in the general discussion area) if it does not violate the TOS of said forum. Offer counterpoints and arguments, but do not bash each other for point of view. This will lead nowhere. If you wish to post about your religion, please be ready to have a thick skin, as people with opposing views will likely try to dispute yours. We should all behave as adults and (if we wish, there is no reason you have to post in a thread you don't agree with) discuss the issue at topic with measured responses instead of insults.

Whew. Sorry that had to be my first post. By the way, other than the SA dates, is the Cure planning to tour other continents shortly after?

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dmodert66 wrote:
Interesting thread. I registered specifically to post on this. That said, I want to preface my post with the fact that I am a huge Cure fan and have been for many years (my favorite show was at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena).

Whew. Sorry that had to be my first post. By the way, other than the SA dates, is the Cure planning to tour other continents shortly after?

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cats_n_cheese wrote:

dmodert66 wrote:
Interesting thread. I registered specifically to post on this. That said, I want to preface my post with the fact that I am a huge Cure fan and have been for many years (my favorite show was at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena).

Whew. Sorry that had to be my first post. By the way, other than the SA dates, is the Cure planning to tour other continents shortly after?

Hello & welcome! Interesting time to join ;-)

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ErikAilums wrote:

cats_n_cheese wrote:

dmodert66 wrote:
Interesting thread. I registered specifically to post on this. That said, I want to preface my post with the fact that I am a huge Cure fan and have been for many years (my favorite show was at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena).

Whew. Sorry that had to be my first post. By the way, other than the SA dates, is the Cure planning to tour other continents shortly after?

Hello & welcome! Interesting time to join ;-)

I noticed that there are a lot of South Americans joining now too. It’s too bad that I don’t know Spanish. Oh well, they’re probably just discussing creationism vs. evolution, like all good Cure fans! :-)

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And added to friction already here... *sigh* those were the days, glad they've been and gone!