The Cure

4:13 Dream

Hi! in your opinion, what is the best song of this album?
And why?

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Hmmm that's hard. I would have to go with three of them Underneath the Stars becuase it sounds like there old stuff only one is catchy reminds me of kiss kiss kiss and I like freakshow cause it's a new style for them

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In my opinion, the B sides are actually better than the tracks on the album..
Without You is the best of the four..

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Of course I fell in love with "Underneath the Stars" immediately...which is expected. I find myself loving "Freakshow", "The Scream", ''Switch", "Sleep When I'm Dead", and "The Real Snow White". However, I love the album as a whole.

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MissDrea83 wrote:
Of course I fell in love with "Underneath the Stars" immediately...which is expected. I find myself loving "Freakshow", "The Scream", ''Switch", "Sleep When I'm Dead", and "The Real Snow White". However, I love the album as a whole.

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Get comfy, you could be here a while.. :p

4:13 Dream was well produced, they've continued with the "live" sound that started with the self titled which I can't get enough of. If you have a decent hi fi it's like they're in the room playing to you..

The downfall for this album to me, as I said previously, is song choice. I remember hearing Underneath The Stars on a French radio stream shortly before the album was officially released. I made a pact with myself that I wouldn't listen to any other tracks until I had the release.. Then news started coming through about them playing new songs live during the festival season and the response to this material was positive, even more so than when the singles came out month by month..
Youtube links started going up with footage from concerts with 'potential' album songs on them, then the radio stream.. So I caved..
None of the singles grabbed me, it was the B sides to the singles that got my attention. Then I listened to Underneath The Stars and I immediately thought "Why isn't this a single?"
I'm now convinced, after all the goings on after this release was put out that the band did not have full say on what made the cut and what didn't..
36 songs were demoed in these sessions, a couple of which I've heard and they're worlds better than the 13 (17 if you count the B sides) that made the cut..

Basically what happened was UMG got greedy, not wanting a double album to be put out as originally intended and instead get 2x profits from two seperate albums rather than one (and a bit) from a double..

Personally, I think the band should have either bought Fiction from Chris Parry while they had the chance (but they [Robert] didn't because they had too much pride and things were really sour by the end as it was) or signed to an independant label or started their own from scratch..
Robert has been in the industry that long that he probably knows how to run a company better than most, not to mention the fact upcoming artist could benefit from his knowledge and experiance..

All in all, I think the record may have taken a different form if they (band) had just been left aone to do what they do best..

Hand my rant..

ONWARDS!

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fattyowls wrote:

MissDrea83 wrote:
Of course I fell in love with "Underneath the Stars" immediately...which is expected. I find myself loving "Freakshow", "The Scream", ''Switch", "Sleep When I'm Dead", and "The Real Snow White". However, I love the album as a whole.

Sad really, haven't listened to it from start to finish since shortly after its release..
Just.. didn't do it for me..
Might be time to dust it off and give it another chance..

Don't get me wrong, UTS was epic, but for me the rest fell really short.. Without You should have been on the album..

Expectations may have been too high knowing Porl was back..

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fattyowls wrote:
Get comfy, you could be here a while.. :p

4:13 Dream was well produced, they've continued with the "live" sound that started with the self titled which I can't get enough of. If you have a decent hi fi it's like they're in the room playing to you..

The downfall for this album to me, as I said previously, is song choice. I remember hearing Underneath The Stars on a French radio stream shortly before the album was officially released. I made a pact with myself that I wouldn't listen to any other tracks until I had the release.. Then news started coming through about them playing new songs live during the festival season and the response to this material was positive, even more so than when the singles came out month by month..
Youtube links started going up with footage from concerts with 'potential' album songs on them, then the radio stream.. So I caved..
None of the singles grabbed me, it was the B sides to the singles that got my attention. Then I listened to Underneath The Stars and I immediately thought "Why isn't this a single?"
I'm now convinced, after all the goings on after this release was put out that the band did not have full say on what made the cut and what didn't..
36 songs were demoed in these sessions, a couple of which I've heard and they're worlds better than the 13 (17 if you count the B sides) that made the cut..

Basically what happened was UMG got greedy, not wanting a double album to be put out as originally intended and instead get 2x profits from two seperate albums rather than one (and a bit) from a double..

Personally, I think the band should have either bought Fiction from Chris Parry while they had the chance (but they [Robert] didn't because they had too much pride and things were really sour by the end as it was) or signed to an independant label or started their own from scratch..
Robert has been in the industry that long that he probably knows how to run a company better than most, not to mention the fact upcoming artist could benefit from his knowledge and experiance..

All in all, I think the record may have taken a different form if they (band) had just been left aone to do what they do best..

Hand my rant..

ONWARDS!

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MissDrea83 wrote:

fattyowls wrote:
Get comfy, you could be here a while.. :p

4:13 Dream was well produced, they've continued with the "live" sound that started with the self titled which I can't get enough of. If you have a decent hi fi it's like they're in the room playing to you..

The downfall for this album to me, as I said previously, is song choice. I remember hearing Underneath The Stars on a French radio stream shortly before the album was officially released. I made a pact with myself that I wouldn't listen to any other tracks until I had the release.. Then news started coming through about them playing new songs live during the festival season and the response to this material was positive, even more so than when the singles came out month by month..
Youtube links started going up with footage from concerts with 'potential' album songs on them, then the radio stream.. So I caved..
None of the singles grabbed me, it was the B sides to the singles that got my attention. Then I listened to Underneath The Stars and I immediately thought "Why isn't this a single?"
I'm now convinced, after all the goings on after this release was put out that the band did not have full say on what made the cut and what didn't..
36 songs were demoed in these sessions, a couple of which I've heard and they're worlds better than the 13 (17 if you count the B sides) that made the cut..

Basically what happened was UMG got greedy, not wanting a double album to be put out as originally intended and instead get 2x profits from two seperate albums rather than one (and a bit) from a double..

Personally, I think the band should have either bought Fiction from Chris Parry while they had the chance (but they [Robert] didn't because they had too much pride and things were really sour by the end as it was) or signed to an independant label or started their own from scratch..
Robert has been in the industry that long that he probably knows how to run a company better than most, not to mention the fact upcoming artist could benefit from his knowledge and experiance..

All in all, I think the record may have taken a different form if they (band) had just been left aone to do what they do best..

Hand my rant..

ONWARDS!

The Cure's b-sides are always top-notch and quality...

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I think "I Don't Know What's Going On" sounds more like older Cure than "Underneath The Stars" does.

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emptyhand wrote:
I think "I Don't Know What's Going On" sounds more like older Cure than "Underneath The Stars" does.

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MissDrea83 wrote:

fattyowls wrote:

MissDrea83 wrote:
Of course I fell in love with "Underneath the Stars" immediately...which is expected. I find myself loving "Freakshow", "The Scream", ''Switch", "Sleep When I'm Dead", and "The Real Snow White". However, I love the album as a whole.

Sad really, haven't listened to it from start to finish since shortly after its release..
Just.. didn't do it for me..
Might be time to dust it off and give it another chance..

Don't get me wrong, UTS was epic, but for me the rest fell really short.. Without You should have been on the album..

Expectations may have been too high knowing Porl was back..

I implore you to listen to it more...

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fattyowls wrote:
Get comfy, you could be here a while.. :p

4:13 Dream was well produced, they've continued with the "live" sound that started with the self titled which I can't get enough of. If you have a decent hi fi it's like they're in the room playing to you..

The downfall for this album to me, as I said previously, is song choice. I remember hearing Underneath The Stars on a French radio stream shortly before the album was officially released. I made a pact with myself that I wouldn't listen to any other tracks until I had the release.. Then news started coming through about them playing new songs live during the festival season and the response to this material was positive, even more so than when the singles came out month by month..
Youtube links started going up with footage from concerts with 'potential' album songs on them, then the radio stream.. So I caved..
None of the singles grabbed me, it was the B sides to the singles that got my attention. Then I listened to Underneath The Stars and I immediately thought "Why isn't this a single?"
I'm now convinced, after all the goings on after this release was put out that the band did not have full say on what made the cut and what didn't..
36 songs were demoed in these sessions, a couple of which I've heard and they're worlds better than the 13 (17 if you count the B sides) that made the cut..

Basically what happened was UMG got greedy, not wanting a double album to be put out as originally intended and instead get 2x profits from two seperate albums rather than one (and a bit) from a double..

Personally, I think the band should have either bought Fiction from Chris Parry while they had the chance (but they [Robert] didn't because they had too much pride and things were really sour by the end as it was) or signed to an independant label or started their own from scratch..
Robert has been in the industry that long that he probably knows how to run a company better than most, not to mention the fact upcoming artist could benefit from his knowledge and experiance..

All in all, I think the record may have taken a different form if they (band) had just been left aone to do what they do best..

Hand my rant..

ONWARDS!

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fattyowls wrote:
In my opinion, the B sides are actually better than the tracks on the album..
Without You is the best of the four..

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fattyowls wrote:

fattyowls wrote:
Get comfy, you could be here a while.. :p

4:13 Dream was well produced, they've continued with the "live" sound that started with the self titled which I can't get enough of. If you have a decent hi fi it's like they're in the room playing to you..

The downfall for this album to me, as I said previously, is song choice. I remember hearing Underneath The Stars on a French radio stream shortly before the album was officially released. I made a pact with myself that I wouldn't listen to any other tracks until I had the release.. Then news started coming through about them playing new songs live during the festival season and the response to this material was positive, even more so than when the singles came out month by month..
Youtube links started going up with footage from concerts with 'potential' album songs on them, then the radio stream.. So I caved..
None of the singles grabbed me, it was the B sides to the singles that got my attention. Then I listened to Underneath The Stars and I immediately thought "Why isn't this a single?"
I'm now convinced, after all the goings on after this release was put out that the band did not have full say on what made the cut and what didn't..
36 songs were demoed in these sessions, a couple of which I've heard and they're worlds better than the 13 (17 if you count the B sides) that made the cut..

Basically what happened was UMG got greedy, not wanting a double album to be put out as originally intended and instead get 2x profits from two seperate albums rather than one (and a bit) from a double..

Personally, I think the band should have either bought Fiction from Chris Parry while they had the chance (but they [Robert] didn't because they had too much pride and things were really sour by the end as it was) or signed to an independant label or started their own from scratch..
Robert has been in the industry that long that he probably knows how to run a company better than most, not to mention the fact upcoming artist could benefit from his knowledge and experiance..

All in all, I think the record may have taken a different form if they (band) had just been left aone to do what they do best..

Hand my rant..

ONWARDS!

Just adding to the above..

If you have all the singles and obviously the album..
Take the time to burn a CD with this track order and tell me your thoughts..
The original listing seems to be laid down in a very disinterested way, no real flow or meshing of the tracks (Do feel free at any time to tell me I'm talking bollocks, BTW).. but if they're juggled around a bit with some additions and subtractions..

Bare with me..

1. Underneath the Stars - Great opener, no mistake!
2. The Reasons Why
3. NY Trip
4. The Only One
5. Down Under
6. Without You
7. Sirensong
8. Sleep When I'm Dead
9. All kinds Of Stuff
10. The Perfect Boy
11. The Hungry Ghost
12. It's Over
13. A Boy I Never Knew

Now, I know I've probably created a monster and started a fan war as I may have left someone's favourite out..
But there's more of a contrast in tempo and mood.. I could be completely wrong :p Just seems to flow better..
The other thing I forgot to mention before, with 4:13 and the self titled, there is a marked absence of harmonization over the top of Robert's main vocal line.. You can listen to what I'm going on about on Wish, that's the main one, where there's up to five layers of harmonizing vocals that Robert sings himself over his own main vocal line.. This isn't easy to do..

The vocal tracks on 4:13 and self titled are completely stripped back, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.. but does make a difference to the overall connection to the song.. One thing I absoulutely adore about most of the previous albums is the fact you seem to find more and more in songs after each listen.. tracks that are sometimes subliminal in the mix add another dimension to the song, you barely notice they're there, but the song wouldn't be the same without them..

All this reflection is making me look forward to the next project even more!

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its a fabolous album! i like all the songs!!!

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Musically and orginal. I have to say I like This here and now with you best.

It takes a bit maybe to get in your system unlike underneath the stars.

But while underneath the stars can be ranked as typical Cure , This here and now with you is in that respect more experimental. I'm also a big fan of Without you.

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The Hungry Ghost for me, then Its Over and Switch

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The first song I heard from the album was the Perfect Boy. At a concert. Unfortunately I didn't pay enough attention to it. Later my dad played me Underneath the Stars and told me to guess which song it was. (I originally thought it was some totally mixed up mix of A Letter to Elise) But then he told showed me what it was and I fell in love with it. Then my dad played me the Perfect Boy again but I didn't remember having heard it and I loved that one too. Then my dad bought the album and I liked everything except Switch and It's Over. Freakshow was borderline. The Reasons Why and The Hungry Ghost were ok and I felt like they were really similar for some reason. Like they belong together. Oh I'd also heard the Only One and I liked it- I think that was played at the concert as well. I have to check. I loved Sirensong. Sleep When I'm Dead was cool. This. Here and Now. With You was in second place after Underneath the Stars. I loved loved loved it but couldn't get myself to say that I liked it more than Underneath the Stars. This all happened around Christmas 2008 but by the following summer I loved every track. Including the ones I didn't even bother listening to before. I wasn't an experienced Cure fan then. I really started liking them at that concert I went to. I only knew about 5 songs that they played and I feel ashamed. So I think I see the whole album differently than the lucky ducks who became fans in the early eighties or were at least alive then. 4:13 Dream is my favorite of the 13 albums.

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warcatcure wrote:
The first song I heard from the album was the Perfect Boy. At a concert. Unfortunately I didn't pay enough attention to it. Later my dad played me Underneath the Stars and told me to guess which song it was. (I originally thought it was some totally mixed up mix of A Letter to Elise) But then he told showed me what it was and I fell in love with it. Then my dad played me the Perfect Boy again but I didn't remember having heard it and I loved that one too. Then my dad bought the album and I liked everything except Switch and It's Over. Freakshow was borderline. The Reasons Why and The Hungry Ghost were ok and I felt like they were really similar for some reason. Like they belong together. Oh I'd also heard the Only One and I liked it- I think that was played at the concert as well. I have to check. I loved Sirensong. Sleep When I'm Dead was cool. This. Here and Now. With You was in second place after Underneath the Stars. I loved loved loved it but couldn't get myself to say that I liked it more than Underneath the Stars. This all happened around Christmas 2008 but by the following summer I loved every track. Including the ones I didn't even bother listening to before. I wasn't an experienced Cure fan then. I really started liking them at that concert I went to. I only knew about 5 songs that they played and I feel ashamed. So I think I see the whole album differently than the lucky ducks who became fans in the early eighties or were at least alive then. 4:13 Dream is my favorite of the 13 albums.

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favourite track is switch, then hungry ghost, both ends of the cure sound, both should have been singles.
i like to re-order cure albums too, with b-sides and relevent era tracks, well done mr owls, but with 4:13, the easiest way to make it a classic cure lp is to play it from track 7 (ghost) and let it loop round until it hits snow white, that way you get the pop, punk, and angst hit first, then 'side two' starts with underneath, and the tracks all kind of melt along together (excepting freakshow, bleh), like the dream of the title..

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jones the steam wrote:
favourite track is switch, then hungry ghost, both ends of the cure sound, both should have been singles.<br />i like to re-order cure albums too, with b-sides and relevent era tracks, well done mr owls, but with 4:13, the easiest way to make it a classic cure lp is to play it from track 7 (ghost) and let it loop round until it hits snow white, that way you get the pop, punk, and angst hit first, then 'side two' starts with underneath, and the tracks all kind of melt along together (excepting freakshow, bleh), like the dream of the title..

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fattyowls wrote:

warcatcure wrote:
The first song I heard from the album was the Perfect Boy. At a concert. Unfortunately I didn't pay enough attention to it. Later my dad played me Underneath the Stars and told me to guess which song it was. (I originally thought it was some totally mixed up mix of A Letter to Elise) But then he told showed me what it was and I fell in love with it. Then my dad played me the Perfect Boy again but I didn't remember having heard it and I loved that one too. Then my dad bought the album and I liked everything except Switch and It's Over. Freakshow was borderline. The Reasons Why and The Hungry Ghost were ok and I felt like they were really similar for some reason. Like they belong together. Oh I'd also heard the Only One and I liked it- I think that was played at the concert as well. I have to check. I loved Sirensong. Sleep When I'm Dead was cool. This. Here and Now. With You was in second place after Underneath the Stars. I loved loved loved it but couldn't get myself to say that I liked it more than Underneath the Stars. This all happened around Christmas 2008 but by the following summer I loved every track. Including the ones I didn't even bother listening to before. I wasn't an experienced Cure fan then. I really started liking them at that concert I went to. I only knew about 5 songs that they played and I feel ashamed. So I think I see the whole album differently than the lucky ducks who became fans in the early eighties or were at least alive then. 4:13 Dream is my favorite of the 13 albums.

<br /><br />It's good to have a different perspective..<br />Us old farts (:p) always have high expectations it seems as we've heard so much before.. <br />I started listening in '96 just before Wild Mood Swings was released and I remember thinking "This is shit, they've done so much better!" The only other abums I had at the time was Standing On A Beach (singles compilation), Mixed Up (remix compilation) and Disintegration. But once I went and bought the rest of the back catalogue and listened to the history of the group, WMS suddenly found it's place within that history! It's now one of my all time favourites!!<br />So, who knows, maybe history needs to do it's thing like with a bottle of fine wine.. :p