|7/20/2009 8:09 AM (GMT-04:00)|
This album means alot to me and I feel that it is a little under rated sometimes...
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|7/20/2009 9:26 AM (GMT-04:00)|
maybe underrated because pronography was their next record. i dont think that the album faith is underrated. a few songs of faith are in every set. especially the song faith itself is one of the best songs to close a perfect night. one of my fave cure songs ever!
|7/20/2009 9:29 AM (GMT-04:00)|
KYUZZ wrote:KittenAsaCat wrote:
Oh, well I sort of meant by underrated that I don't see much of the Faith album being talked about as much here (other than Primary of course). But yes, Faith is an amazing song... also one of my very favourites.
|7/20/2009 10:30 AM (GMT-04:00)|
The album is very close to my heart - the closest of all albums ever (not only by The Cure), it's a reminder of a very strange time in my life, a time when I was on the one hand very happy and on the other hand depressed and insecure. I was 16/17 at the time and guess I had to find out who I was and growing up is never easy and...I don't know -even now I don't know what was going on then, but it was all very confusing and Faith is the soundtrack to this period of my life.
I love every single song on the album but The Drowning Man is the one that still makes me cry today.
|7/20/2009 11:35 AM (GMT-04:00)|
These are the album close to my heart: (including Faith)
|7/20/2009 12:48 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Nellie pretty much summed up why I love the album so much.(I was 18 at the time of my exposure to it)..and I also want to add that it helped/ still helps me get in touch with some pretty tough feelings that I need to acknowlege ...the honest questions, the rage, the sadness of how it (reality) seems to be the feeling of forsakenness, an honest, open-eyed search but seeing (and sensing in particular) nothing (at least not as the others seem to have-are they even for real?)...but then at the very end of the process a ray of hope...a sliver, yes, but it's there:
|7/20/2009 3:06 PM (GMT-04:00)|
I don't listen to Faith a lot. Only when I'm terribly upset. However, I do listen to Other Voices often because it means something to me personally. It's a great album, but I just don't listen to it as much as I used to.
|7/20/2009 7:09 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Yes, for me it is exactly the same :).
Faith is my favourite The Cure album (Ok, together with Pornography ;)).
At the moment I go through such a time as you described it, on the one hand happy and on the other hand depressed and insecure .. I feel lost very often, but actually I haven't any reason to feel so. It's really confusing :(.
In moments like this I often listen to this album, I especially love All Cats are Grey, which I heard very much lately, and The Holy Hour, The Drowning Man and Faith. I think All Cats are Grey is a real The Cure classic, it's simple, but full of meaning and feelings and simply timeless! And so is the whole album!!!!
|7/20/2009 11:45 PM (GMT-04:00)|
|7/21/2009 3:53 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Wow, you all find the words to describe what I feel about FAITH, too, it's such a "simple" Album, "desolate yet hopeful", that's it!
|7/21/2009 6:18 AM (GMT-04:00)|
cheers me up when i've had a down kind of day,
|7/21/2009 12:15 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Hit the nail on the head for me with that! The Cure mean a lot to me (I kept it quiet like a guilty secret for such a long time!) and although I feel Pornography is their finest hour, Primary has to be the best single song. I can't think of another song that sounds like it, from the stange "pac pac pac" sounds that start it, through Simon's bass which has never been better, it's a lovely upbeat song. I don't really understand the lyrics, but that childlike feel is terrific.
And it sits on Faith amongst Holy Hour, Drowning Man and Faith itself. Genius!
|7/22/2009 11:47 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Daveyraveygravey wrote:Happilyeverafter wrote:
: ) I totally "get" your guilty secret- therefore quiet--uh..deal. The scene *sucked* in that regard. Yeah...the intro to Primary as it comes off the bells ending the holy hour is absolutely ***the bomb!!*** I often wonder how Simon makes that sound...you put it like "pac pac pac" I can see that sorta, but heehee I think it goes more like "Dveep dveep dveep dveeooo!" : D Aaaaah!!! I never grow tired of it!
I had my bedroom painted blue (and quite a bit of the furniture the same baby blue) because of this song. : )
|7/22/2009 3:42 PM (GMT-04:00)|
I listened to it a few days ago after agessss of not listening to it. Its a really good album :) I love the songs Primary and Faith the most :)
|7/22/2009 11:36 PM (GMT-04:00)|
|7/23/2009 6:27 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Faith my favourite album. Its atmosphere very much is pleasant to me.
|7/24/2009 11:23 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Happilyeverafter wrote:Daveyraveygravey wrote:Happilyeverafter wrote:
Uh.. I just reread what I said...and it could be misconstrued..and I hope you didn't take it wrong...I did not mean you when I said "The scene *sucked*... I meant others...and how mean they could be over someone's musical tastes...er, maybe 'mean''s a strong word, just not as friendly.. am I the only one who got crap for liking them? I know why others don't like them..cos they had hits !!, cos they had pop songs that made the radio (I personally like The Cure's pop songs! I also like their "dark" songs!) : p so please don't get me wrong..
|7/24/2009 2:24 PM (GMT-04:00)|
I really love Faith and hate the magazines and so called music "experts" they always talk about Pornography being so dark and brooding but really it starts with Seventeen Seconds and finds its peak here with Faith. They talk about Pornography being very introspective and intimate but really, Faith is a whole other universe away from that in terms of intimacy. Fears about life itself are put on display and I think the whole package is perfect. Never mind Primary, All Cats are Grey and the Funeral Party are excellent songs, beautiful songs. I could talk about this forever hehe :)
|7/24/2009 2:28 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Yeah that set is amazing but I'm not sure I get that with the album, desolate yet hopeful. Nothing left but faith is a really scarey line to go out on I think. I think it means that you never know what the truth is, what;s going to happen, but what can you do? You don't have any power. You just have a small faith in that things will be okay, never quite believing it. Bothersome last line! Just my impression anyway.
|7/24/2009 6:00 PM (GMT-04:00)|
|7/25/2009 10:46 AM (GMT-04:00)|
i apologize for the negative slant of mind ...i ought to have said "hellish and wonderful" experiences...I keep copies of some thank you notes I and the kids have written and for some reason read them last night...and I actually have had some pretty wonderful experiences, come to think of it--some amazing ones, rather!!! Seeing the Cure at the Troubadour was one of them...I was being reminded. : )
|7/26/2009 7:08 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Yeah, we all have the good times and the bad times. You sound like you're going through the worst of times right now and with all my heart I hope everything is okay. But yeah, I think you have a point, we don't know and I sometimes don't have faith that it'll all be okay, but what CAN we do? We can't go back and we can't stay in one spot. So there's nothing we can do but go on and maybe just try and have faith...Faith maybe just in faith itself when everything else, Faith through praying, god and in those around is has failed. I'm not sure...
|7/26/2009 7:45 PM (GMT-04:00)|
I wrote this recently in a letter to a friend. I hadn't previously mentioned it here in the forum because of a lot of the personal attacks that have taken place in the General Forum, but this seems like a safer place, so I'm going to share it with you.
|7/26/2009 8:42 PM (GMT-04:00)|
|7/26/2009 9:03 PM (GMT-04:00)|
It's a brilliant album! I fell in love with the bass guitar, and Simon’s bass playing in particular, with the Faith album. At the time, I had Seventeen Seconds, Faith and THOTD. With no Internet and very few Cure fanzines (mostly just about Robert when they mentioned The Cure at all), I had no idea which of the non-RS guys in photos was the one who played the bass. I only knew for sure what Robert Smith looked like, and that the other two were either Lawrence Tolhurst or Simon Gallup. So for a while, I actually thought Simon might have been Lol! He would probably wince at the thought... sorry! :)
|7/27/2009 12:28 AM (GMT-04:00)|
LA Lovecat wrote:arsenic9sea wrote:
LOL! Yeah. I feel like Faith is the "dark" album that most people forgot. I mean Seventeen Seconds gets played a lot live and everyone knows Pornography but Faith doesn't really see much action. just Primary and sometimes Faith as an encore. I suppose its a hard album to play with out keyboards.
|7/27/2009 11:37 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Faith is one of my favourite albums.I can put it on if i'm feeling low but somehow it cheers me up.Does anyone else find that if they put on what might be considered a dark record,it has the opposite effect?
|7/27/2009 9:32 PM (GMT-04:00)|
I feel that way too. I think that perhaps it makes me feel less alone with the things I think about... Maybe. I'm not sure though.
|7/27/2009 10:11 PM (GMT-04:00)|
KittenAsaCat wrote:Psymon1968 wrote:
I see what you mean. I love the minimalism of the album so much
|7/30/2009 11:24 AM (GMT-04:00)|
thetopper wrote:Happilyeverafter wrote:
I came back here and somehow missed your response and just saw it this morning!! Thank you for your kind words!! (looking gratefully at thetopper)
then a wee giggle cos- Yes!! ONWARDS as Robert would say!! (btw I'm not him!)I've stayed in one spot in denial for so long cos the pain seems too great...maybe I just need a good cry...let myself feel the feelings..
|7/31/2009 11:24 AM (GMT-04:00)|
arsenic9sea wrote:KittenAsaCat wrote:Psymon1968 wrote:
Yes yes yes!!!! I think it has to do with submolecular ions righting themselves...for example, I love cloudy cold days...I'm way more chipper on those days! And Faith is like that for me...I think something chemical happens when we listen and our heads process it and we can't help but feel happy.
At least some idiot isn't trying to cheer us up!!!! That in itself can make happy.. : )
|7/31/2009 9:46 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Happilyeverafter wrote:Yes I agree wholeheartedly with this also. I just got a book (which I need to take a moment and read now!) that explains why certain songs/melodies are so moving to us in more scientific terms. Based upon the conversation, I thought you guys might be interested.arsenic9sea wrote:KittenAsaCat wrote:
The book is called - This Is Your Brain On Music: The Science of a Human Obsession
Here's a review/synopsis of the book from Amazon.com:
(From Publishers Weekly)
Think of a song that resonates deep down in your being. Now imagine sitting down with someone who was there when the song was recorded and can tell you how that series of sounds was committed to tape, and who can also explain why that particular combination of rhythms, timbres and pitches has lodged in your memory, making your pulse race and your heart swell every time you hear it. Remarkably, Levitin does all this and more, interrogating the basic nature of hearing and of music making (this is likely the only book whose jacket sports blurbs from both Oliver Sacks and Stevie Wonder), without losing an affectionate appreciation for the songs he's reducing to neural impulses. Levitin is the ideal guide to this material: he enjoyed a successful career as a rock musician and studio producer before turning to cognitive neuroscience, earning a Ph.D. and becoming a top researcher into how our brains interpret music. Though the book starts off a little dryly (the first chapter is a crash course in music theory), Levitin's snappy prose and relaxed style quickly win one over and will leave readers thinking about the contents of their iPods in an entirely new way. (Aug.)
Here's the link to the book's page on Amazon.com if you're interested in more info:
|8/1/2009 3:36 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Thanks to everyone for sharing your stories... LA Lovecat and HappilyEverAfter especially. I've tried to put to words about why this album means so much to me but I seem to be finding it extremely difficult to do, even though I know exactly how I feel about it. I'll try again the next time I'm listening to it I think...
|8/1/2009 11:42 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Opps, i missed this, too much confusion of looking on the boards/topics.
|8/4/2009 2:21 PM (GMT-04:00)|
LA Lovecat wrote:Happilyeverafter wrote:Yes I agree wholeheartedly with this also. I just got a book (which I need to take a moment and read now!) that explains why certain songs/melodies are so moving to us in more scientific terms. Based upon the conversation, I thought you guys might be interested.arsenic9sea wrote:
Woooh!!!! Way Cool, LaLovecat!!!! (In haste), but had to say thanks!! Thank you! I"m gonna look up your ref! : D
|8/4/2009 4:45 PM (GMT-04:00)|
(I went to London in 91 with my dad and sister and stayed at my aunt's house for a week, is how I know this): does the voice "Mind the gap!" still sound through speakers at the tube stations? : ) (Imagining "Mind the gap!" faintly heard whilst listening on a walkman's headphones playing "...just the noises...of other voices" ) hee hee!! : )
speaking of that song, you can really sense the inner struggle the boy is going through at the time...how he was raised and what he's experiencing...I had a quite different upbringing...I was brought up by a potsmoking biker party mom and her boyfriend m-f, and an extremely left-wing self-proclaimed atheist dad every weekend. The voices from my childhood didn't serve to cause guilt, but rather confusion...when I tried to find God... ah the grass ain't any greener with those who grew up with religious backgrounds, either way is rough.
|8/4/2009 8:48 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Happilyeverafter wrote:I really want to read it... but I keep getting slammed here at work (or distracted in the pub in the other forum)... maybe I'll make a start on it tonight, because I really want to read this!
|8/5/2009 8:26 AM (GMT-04:00)|
(One of the strange things about this forum I can't figure out is how to quote people without just repeating everything they say! But that's another issue...)
I've been away in Italy saoking up some beautiful sunshine and booze and grub, so haven't been able to reply before. I didn't take any offence, I know exactly what you mean. Music is so intensely personal, I rarely get into discussions with peope who have different tastes. (My daughter is into Flo Rida and R&B, jeez when we debate what CD to have on in the car next, it gets messy!)
Anyway, back on track, Faith is a cathartic experience for me, I understand why people who don't get it say it is repetitive and depressing, but I love it for those reasons. I listen to it, and whatever mood I start out with, yes, it can make you sink like a stone as it progresses, but by the end of Faith itself, I'm right back up there, ready to take the world on, or whatever...
|8/5/2009 8:33 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Definitely! Radiohead's the Bends is like that too...
|8/5/2009 12:38 PM (GMT-04:00)|
I wasnt a big fan of faith at first but i just sat down and listened to it properly and now i love it, this and pornography are two of my favourites yet they are not easy to listen to. You have to be in a certain state of mind, but being 16 it isnt that hard to find that state of mind.
|8/7/2009 4:35 PM (GMT-04:00)|
LA Lovecat wrote:Happilyeverafter wrote:I really want to read it... but I keep getting slammed here at work (or distracted in the pub in the other forum)... maybe I'll make a start on it tonight, because I really want to read this!
I like the quote you gave: "Without losing an affectionate appreciation for the music discussing the neurons..."
I haven't got the book yet, but want to...have you gleaned anything you'd like to share from it here? If not, that's totally cool too... that's the tough thing about 'have to' and 'want to' things on our daily to do's eh? : / So many times I lose count my 'want to's' don't happen. But hey, this forum is a 'want to' ! so i can't complain.. : )
|8/7/2009 4:43 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Daveyraveygravey wrote:Happilyeverafter wrote:
Yay! (whew) I don't want to be offensive...I can do that so effortlessly...
I never heard of Flo Rida my son says it's rap -hip hop ew!! : )
|8/9/2009 9:13 AM (GMT-04:00)|
I think "Faith" and "Pornography" are my favourite albums. They're totally different from each other but every has the same "thing" which makes them magic. It's pretty hard to explain what it really is :P
|8/15/2009 8:58 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Faith is a very difficult one to listen to, and indeed it is a sort of "Pornography Lite", almost like Pornography's precursor, really.
|4/12/2010 9:12 PM (GMT-04:00)|
I have to agree, Faith is an underrated album. I love the atmosphere created by the sound. It encapsulates the album so well, very moody, inspiring and full of potential. The title track is such a good ending to an album, I relate to it so much.
|4/13/2010 11:22 AM (GMT-04:00)|
A piece of Cure trivia..
|4/22/2010 9:26 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Roberts Lyrics on this album are the most underated thing about this album. Listin to the words.
|4/22/2010 9:13 PM (GMT-04:00)|
Mmm.. powerful imageries..
The perfect segue into the next album..
|5/12/2010 6:48 AM (GMT-04:00)|
Hmm. Underrated? Perhaps because it was followed immediately after by the raw power of Pornography?
|5/12/2010 6:55 AM (GMT-04:00)|
I agree with you on a lot of things you've said about Faith, particularly listening to it in the dark, just letting it wash all over you.
However, with all due respect, I'd have to disagree with you where you said that Faith is darker than Pornography. Please don't get my intentions wrong, I'm not trying to start a fight or invalidate your opinions, I'm just interested by this comment and want to add my own view.
Faith is almost serenely dark. It's like closing your eyes and sliding calmly, slowly, into the lake that will drown you. It's by no means a lightweight album.
But Pornography isn't about depression alone. It's about nihilism and darkness and power and fury. It's about cynicism and hate, and seems to conjure with its distorted vocals, it's heavy percussion, all the darkness in the world to bring to bear.
There's not a moment of respite, from the utter bleakness of 'One Hundred Years' to the delirious imbalance of 'A Short Term Effect' to the sweeping despair of 'The Figurehead' to the absolute, unrelenting darkness of the title track, Pornography.
I'm not saying that Faith is worse than Pornography-in many ways I think the opposite. I just don't find Faith, or indeed anything else I've ever heard, capable of being darker than something as absolute as Pornography.
|3/30/2011 12:28 PM (GMT-04:00)|
you wanna know what's fun? : D I discovered this just this morning. I was driving with my ipod on and sang karaoke-ish to The Holy Hour (group home demo) and heard the *right* sounds at the *right* places! "I kneel.." "I sit.."
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